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<p>Can we remove this person from the list or at least revoke
posting rights? This is not getting anywhere and destroys the list
as useful medium to discuss abuse fighting methods.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.06.2017 um 10:08 schrieb
Marilson:<br>
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<div>Hi Esa,</div>
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<div>Thank you for your consideration. If there is a people
with authority to give moral lesson is the Finnish. A nation
that respects ethnic diversity and is descended from more
than 120 nationalities.
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<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Let me question some of
your concepts.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">> you don't call
people nazi unless they have been convicted. Specially
not somebody in Germany. Neither do you call them
criminal unless convicted.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">I accessed the Finland
newspapers (highly prized press freedom) and they
called that person who allegedly detonated a bomb in
Manchester, a terrorist. Has he been convicted?</font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Using your words I
would say that people should not act like a Nazi,
especially not somebody in Germany.</font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">People are condemned
for their acts not because they are criminal or
because of their convictions or ideologies. Thankfully
we have the guarantee of the Law of being what we
want, including of being a Nazi.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">>
I don't understand what your goal when you use this
kind of language. Are you trying to change something
to a positive direction, or are you just letting
pressure out? If former, you're failing.</font></font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Why do you think I'm
failing? Everything is running exactly as I planned.
Thanks to you, Andre, Brian, Jeffrey, Volker.</font> <font
face="Calibri"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">My goal
is to expose a ISP owner to their colleagues inside
a community that, l</font></font><font size="3"
face="Calibri">ike other communities or categories or
professions, they act in the defense of their members,
corporatism, in a flagrant false ethics. When you have
to deal with this false ethics and with people who use
crystal balls to form knowledge and prejudge, the
strategy is to provoke such people's reaction.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Anyway, thanks</font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Marilson</font></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
title="esa@laitinen.org"
href="mailto:esa@laitinen.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">Esa Laitinen</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 29, 2017 9:59 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="marilson.mapa@gmail.com"
href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com"
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse
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<div>the language you use is not what will bring anything
forward. You just ruin whatever respect you had from
others.</div>
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<div>you don't call people nazi unless they have been
convicted. Specially not somebody in Germany. Neither do
you call them criminal unless convicted. </div>
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<div>I don't understand what your goal when you use this
kind of language. Are you trying to change something to
a positive direction, or are you just letting pressure
out? If former, you're failing. The people you convince
that kind of language are not the ones that can change
something.</div>
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<div>In any case, the moderator told to pipe it down. I
hope you do.</div>
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<div>yours,</div>
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<div>esa</div>
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not a criminal and not a criminal
company. So, I do<br>
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<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Although
this phrase is beyond my capacity
for understanding, I think I
should greet you for not fearing
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<font face="Calibri"><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> Just
on a side note, my opinion is that
you calling Martin Hetzner a<br>
> Nazi (and a sociopath) is not
acceptable behavior.</font></font><br>
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<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">I'll
explain to you what is not
acceptable behavior:</font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">1-
It is you being customer of a
provider owner with a professional
life history worthy of an arrogant
sociopath with the attitudes of a
Nazi despot - reread the
curriculum I related.</font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">2-
It is you acting like some
Afrikaners who defended the
principles of the National
Socialist Party - read Nazism -
that gave support to the
maintenance of apartheid in your
homeland. Heil Hetzner!</font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">3-
It is an ISP owner refusing to
suspend a reported customer
numerous times, for 18 months,
with evidence of the practice of
crime.</font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">4-
It is an ISP owner to allow a
victim of his client to spend 18
months denouncing the same scam,
the same scammer.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri"><font
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is hate speech in itself and
disrespectful to civil society.</font></font></div>
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<font face="Calibri"><font
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">A hate
speech: If I lived in Germany I
would have sued this tramp. From
where I am I can only insult and
report him to the world.</font></font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Disrespect
to civil society are his
relationships with sociopath
despots like Putin, are his
attacks on freedom of the press,
are his pursuits those who fight
spammers and give support for
reported criminals.</font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Disrespect
to civil society it is to defend
and hire the services of people
who should be arrested.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Heil
Coetzee!</font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Marilson</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a
title="andre@ox.co.za"
href="mailto:andre@ox.co.za"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ox</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 28,
2017 2:21 AM</div>
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<div><b>To:</b> <a
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<div><b>Cc:</b> <a
title="anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net"
href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>
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normal; DISPLAY: inline">On Sat, 27 May
2017 21:26:42 -0300<br>
"Marilson" <<a
href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com"
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> <br>
> If you continue to call your
competitors from criminal companies<br>
> someone will call you Pot. :)<br>
> <br>
No, firstly, there is no competition
between lists... All lists have<br>
different data and sometimes different
priorities and focus. (Did you<br>
see the SORBS lists 30 days, recent, all
time - this has time focus -<br>
some lists adds weight for RIR, some
lists focus on actual syndicates,<br>
some on actual bot tech, some aggregate
bots & syndicates - for<br>
example - on your one IP number you may
be hosting 900 domains and<br>
only one of those belong to a crime
syndicate sending spear or to a<br>
child pornographer. - if you are on that
list - find your criminal - and get rid
of them...<br>
some lists are rolled by hand, dedicated
and with zero (or next to<br>
zero) false positives. some lists
randomly list ip numbers, etc.<br>
<br>
a list is a list and the quality of a
list depends on the maintenance thereof
and <br>
the value it ads to society. This value
is sometimes displayed in the<br>
'score' or numerical weight attached to
programs similar to spamassassin<br>
assigned to a list by independent users.<br>
<br>
Secondly, I am not a criminal and not a
criminal company. So, I do<br>
not have criminal competitors.<br>
<br>
Lastly, if there is a list that is
listing other lists for no reason and
also lists <br>
honeynets (traps) and victims - the
advantage for doing that is only to<br>
criminal enterprise. <br>
<br>
Just on a side note, my opinion is that
you calling Martin Hetzner a<br>
Nazi (and a sociopath) is not acceptable
behavior.<br>
<br>
It is hate speech in itself and
disrespectful to civil society.<br>
<br>
Andre<br>
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