<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> </head> <body> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left;"> <meta content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252" data-ogsc="" style=""> </div> <div data-ogsc="" style=""> <div> <div> <div style="direction:ltr">I�m afraid you�ve misunderstood me. I haven�t been talking about people going out to clean networks not their own. All I would like to see is people accepting responsibility for the networks that they do control</div> <div><br> </div> <div style="direction:ltr">As for other concerns eg Volker raised about the difference between a heavily abused customer and a malicious actor, that is a judgement call that every large provider abuse team has had to face so far</div> </div> <div><br> </div> <div class="ms-outlook-ios-signature"> <div style="direction:ltr">--srs</div> </div> </div> <div> </div> <hr tabindex="-1" style="display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Randy Bush <randy@psg.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:38 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Suresh Ramasubramanian<br> <b>Cc:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox") <div> </div> </font></div> > It would be interesting if a large number of people who actually work <br> > for the security / infosec / abuse teams of various ripe members were <br> > to attend the aawg meetings instead of a clutch of mostly IP / dns / <br> > network people. <br> <br> did. a couple of interesting presos, but the plural of anecdote is not <br> data. and a bun fight over becomig the net police. rinse repeat. i <br> can try pushing water uphill at home. <br> <br> randy <br> <br> </div> </div> </body> </html>