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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I am aware of this and aware that calling for a vote on any such matter would be a significant departure from procedure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Having one might at least lay this discussion to rest once and for all. I�ve seen variants of it for several years now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Carlos Fria�as <cfriacas@fccn.pt><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, 9 May 2020 at 6:10 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Gert Doering <gert@space.net>, anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>About "consensus" and "voting"...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Suresh, Gert, All,<br>
<br>
"member organizations represented by" -- this only happens at the RIPE NCC <br>
GM, twice a year.<br>
<br>
The PDP doesn't happen at the RIPE NCC GM, afaik, whether we like it or <br>
not.<br>
<br>
When polarisation is obvious, "consensus" is impossible and everything <br>
tend to remain as is...<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Carlos<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, 9 May 2020, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:<br>
<br>
> <br>
> In a case where the community is polarised to this extent it would be better to break with procedure and call a vote for once. With member organizations represented by their abuse team heads, rather than IP / routing people, so that<br>
> the organisation?s stance on this is clear.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net><br>
> Date: Saturday, 9 May 2020 at 3:57 PM<br>
> To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com><br>
> Cc: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>, anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br>
> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")<br>
> <br>
> Hi,<br>
> <br>
> On Sat, May 09, 2020 at 01:12:32AM +0000, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:<br>
> > Has this even been put to a vote or is it the same group of extremely vocal RIPE regulars against it and the same group of extremely vocal security types for it? Rough consensus has its limitations in such cases.<br>
> <br>
> There is no voting.<br>
> <br>
> It's either "there is sufficient support and counterarguments have been<br>
> adequately addressed" or "no consensus, rewrite or withdraw".<br>
> <br>
> Gert Doering<br>
> -- NetMaster<br>
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