<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> </head> <body> <div dir="ltr"> <div></div> <div> <div>The problem is that many of the people objecting - I won�t say all, I know many of you over the years - are not from a security, or more properly an abuse and policy enforcement background.</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Almost all of it is layer 9</div> <div><br> </div> <div class="ms-outlook-ios-signature" id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature"> <div style="direction: ltr;">--srs</div> </div> </div> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Carlos Fria�as via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:58:50 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl><br> <b>Cc:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] About "consensus" and "voting"...</font> <div> </div> </div> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText"><br> <br> Hi everyone,<br> <br> <br> On Sat, 9 May 2020, Sander Steffann wrote:<br> <br> > Hi Randy,<br> ><br> >>> Otherwise we change the way the working Groups works it will remain<br> >>> unchanged for ever. I agree that we must get a way to vote or another<br> >>> democratic way to get decisions.<br> >><br> (...)<br> >><br> >> for a large segment of the community, and that which was pretty much<br> >> the original population, there is an underlying physics and shared<br> >> experience of moving packets, routing, circuits, bgp, ixen, ... that<br> >> gives us a common experience and understanding.<br> <br> I must note, however, that security is embedded inside "..."<br> <br> *sigh*<br> <br> Carlos<br> <br> <br> <br> </div> </span></font></div> </body> </html>