<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Angel,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Thank you for this, a very useful prompt!</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Brian</div> <div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div id="Signature"> <div> <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt; color:#000000; font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif"> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Brian Nisbet </p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Service Operations Manager</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">+35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie</p> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Angel Fernandez Pineda <anfernandez@grupogodo.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday 9 July 2020 08:16<br> <b>To:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers</font> <div> </div> </div> <style type="text/css" style="display:none">  </style> <div dir="ltr"> <p></p> <div style="background-color:#FFCACA; width:100%; border-style:solid; border-color:#9C6500; border-width:1pt; padding:2pt; font-size:10pt; line-height:12pt; font-family:'Calibri'; color:Black; text-align:left"> <span style="color:#9C6500">CAUTION[External]:</span> This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.</div> <br> <p></p> <div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <span>Hi,<br> </span> <div>I would like to make a recommendation to all of you. The EU has opened a consultation on the Digital Service Act, a future regulation that aims to review the role of digital platforms and technoly intermediaries and establish regulations to protect the rights of users and companies that operate online wherever is required. Of course, the role of ISPs or organizations like RIPE NCC can be subject to asses.<br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>The aim of the European Commission with the consultation is to identify situations that put at risk the safety and rights of users or the rights of companies to compete in a fair market.<br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>To those of you who know that this discussion, repeated so many times in this WG, will not reach to anything, I would like to invite you to dedicate a little of your time to answering the consultation. You will find it at:<br> </div> <span></span> <div style="color:black; font-size:12pt; font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> <span><br> </span></div> <div><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fec.europa.eu%2Finfo%2Flaw%2Fbetter-regulation%2Fhave-your-say%2Finitiatives%2F12417-Digital-Services-Act-deepening-the-Internal-Market-and-clarifying-responsibilities-for-digital-services%2Fpublic-consultation&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7bf6cb706d5e48b22dc008d823d80370%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637298758391658981&sdata=LacRZpFsgQqCcAOQ%2Bzhu64d0ob463OO9IC7MJeXOAMQ%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12417-Digital-Services-Act-deepening-the-Internal-Market-and-clarifying-responsibilities-for-digital-services/public-consultation" shash="zKG8bV1SlgAkI9V7YHI7GkaP/AaKCNvDc7nmbkatSxA+K92stLzpXPp+Ucsm+BkrWF+/dJplFKC2lCHOYHuhjzTROzlqpMZAhqPm0uHTgihBGWCpf6D+iE0xajOFd9oQiWQk22nQ0Ib45hYo5bAPzh9JKSWetYlTFoDVSJyGYwY=" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12417-Digital-Services-Act-deepening-the-Internal-Market-and-clarifying-responsibilities-for-digital-services/public-consultation</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>Best,</div> <div>�ngel</div> Grupo God� de Comunicaci�n<br> </div> <div id="x_appendonsend"></div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <hr tabindex="-1" style="display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>De:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> en nombre de Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Enviado:</b> jueves, 9 de julio de 2020 8:29<br> <b>Para:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Asunto:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers</font> <div> </div> </div> <div class="x_BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt"> <div class="x_PlainText">Hi Info<br> <br> Maybe one of the reasons some Non-logging VPNs end up on blacklist sis<br> that the Non-Looging phrase is just an excuse to not go after misuse.<br> The rights to privacy and free speech do not mean anything goes.<br> <br> You can fight abuse without violating privacy. But of course that's not<br> for free, you need abuse people that investigate and they cost money.<br> Sadly, many of these VPNs frankly just don't care, using the lame excuse<br> that they are protecting fundamental rights, when in fact they are just<br> don't care or take responsibility.<br> <br> I don't agree with everything Spamhaus does, but I find them responsible<br> and and always found a way way to talk to them.<br> <br> I was reluctant writing this, because I'm not sure this discussion will<br> lead anywhere. It's one of these where opinions seem to already have<br> been formed.<br> <br> But you start accusing people of posting anonymously. I totally agree<br> this is bad, but then, who are you, info@fos-vpn.org?<br> <br> You don't seem to offer a name yourself. I find this a bit hypocritical.<br> <br> Best<br> Serge<br> <br> <br> On 08.07.20 20:46, info@fos-vpn.org wrote:<br> > All I would like from Spamhaus is to stop publishing fake SBL records in<br> > order to discredit us and to use that to put pressure both upon us and<br> > our upstreams.<br> > Non-logging VPN services are as legal within the EU as Exit Nodes of the<br> > Tor Network (which have massive abuse entries in various data bases,<br> > especially the larger ones) and public WiFi Hotspots, which can be used<br> > for abusive activities, too.<br> > <br> > I don't know who "PP" is (probably the same person which posts under the<br> > nickname "Petras Simeon" on Twitter and on various boards), but he<br> > contacted us and our upstream providers without telling his name, just<br> > using this email address: phishphucker@storey.ovh and sending us the<br> > list of SBL entries which he also posted here.<br> > Don't know if he's working for Spamhaus or not, but before attacking<br> > others publicly, people should reveal their true identity, anything else<br> > would be sneaky in my opinion.<br> > <br> <br> -- <br> Dr. Serge Droz<br> Chair of the FIRST Board of Directors<br> <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.first.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7bf6cb706d5e48b22dc008d823d80370%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637298758391658981&sdata=4n5ae2kX7r4qSW5BmJuMUKaHLTbetjhaeFodXh%2FLQb8%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.first.org/" shash="ZfrbjbReBsat0gcTMTJL5GGGO3J5v7UcEEYqrYZqZqqk+EPhyTardc0UL73lpvaWur8Q0PDlT6CqgJdPHZhn6JrHB7WOrkn1xLFZL7DCehejDGY1uhHEDxwODdsipXc5LpzzkrIzvCqtfHkuj+hhQ5acaNPJrdpnb4gQb1vnpNs=">https://www.first.org</a><br> <br> </div> </span></font></div> </div> </div> </body> </html>