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<div>Probably through regulation as you say. If ripe doesn�t want to be the Internet police they�ll suddenly find that there actually is such a thing created and with oversight over them, sooner or later. Nobody is going to like the result if that happens,
neither the government nor ripe nor its membership.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Carlos Fria�as via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 8, 2020 4:44:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Report & Co-Chair's Decision on Proposal 2019-04</font>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
I would like to second Piotr's comment. Thank you for your hard work, and <br>
for not quitting over anti-abuse.<br>
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As i read it consensus was not reached, and it's hard to dispute the <br>
objections are not valid/admissible:<br>
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"<br>
1) Nick Hilliard and Erik Bais commented that the effort and cost to <br>
implement this proposal are too great in relations to the benefits that <br>
are alleged.<br>
<br>
2) Michele Neylon and Arash Naderpour commented that they oppose forcing <br>
operators to use only email for<br>
handling abuse reports and internal handling procedures should be solely <br>
defined by the operator.<br>
"<br>
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I just want to note that: <br>
A) it's very hard to measure the benefits. some parties would see bigger <br>
benefits than others.<br>
B) converging abuse reports to email usage is a rule that is inexistent <br>
*today*. people which are not worried about abuse, will likely want to <br>
keep it that way... as a webform is an effective way of discouraging <br>
reports.<br>
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At some point, people which discard abuse reports (or people which <br>
simulate handling abuse reports) will not be able to run networks. <br>
We're far from it, but if it gets to that point that will not be reached <br>
through consensus, but probably through regulation.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Carlos<br>
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On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Piotr Strzyzewski via anti-abuse-wg wrote:<br>
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> On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 03:19:27PM +0000, Brian Nisbet wrote:<br>
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> Brian, Alireza, Tobias,<br>
><br>
>> A few weeks ago we reached the end of the latest review phase for 2019-04. The Co-Chairs have worked closely with the NCC Policy Development Office since then to try to make a decision on this policy. This email contains a report on the Discussion Phase
and Review Phase and then a final decision which, we believe, is supported by the activity during those phases.<br>
>><br>
>> As always, this is underpinned by the RIPE PDP - <a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-710">
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-710</a><br>
><br>
> [cut]<br>
><br>
>> With all of this in mind, and with the continued failure of any kind of consensus from the working group, the Co-Chairs have decided to withdraw this proposal. As always we would welcome proposals on this and other matters, however we do not feel that there
is any likelihood of 2019-04, regardless of possible edits, reaching consensus in the short or medium term.<br>
><br>
> Thank you for all your hard work here. It was not an easy task to<br>
> fulfill. With this is mind, it is even more important that you have made<br>
> this report. Thank you.<br>
><br>
> Stay safe,<br>
> Piotr<br>
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> -- <br>
> Piotr Strzy?ewski<br>
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