I agree with both points. Best Richard Sent from my Huawei Mobile<div style="line-height:1.5"> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Internet 2030 From: Daniel Karrenberg <dfk@ripe.net> To: Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> CC: Cooperation WG RIPE <cooperation-wg@ripe.net> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On 9 Apr 2020, at 12:36, Richard Hill wrote: > Please see below. > > Thanks and best, > Richard > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cooperation-wg [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On >> Behalf >> Of Daniel Karrenberg >> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 12:33 >> To: Gordon Lennox >> Cc: Cooperation WG RIPE >> Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Internet 2030 >> >> >> >> On 8 Apr 2020, at 10:06, Gordon Lennox wrote: >> >>> Meanwhile this is from ETSI: … >> >> >> However we read these proposals to re-invent things from the >> standards >> politics angle, the messages RIPE should send are: >> >> The Internet with TCP/IP protocols is the global utility for >> communication these days. Any new standards, especially those >> tailored >> to particular operational domains like mobile, must be interoperable >> and >> any new deployments must interoperate. > > I can't resist adding that, in hindsight, it would have been better if > IPv6 had been backwards compatible with IPv4. Not only with hindsight. There was even a brief period when this was about to happen. If I remember correctly it was the major router vendors who flatly stated this would not be implementable. But my memory is not what it used to be …. >> >> Hallway talk: the atrocious kludges that are deployed today for >> running >> Internet over mobile are partly due to the relevant standards bodies >> not >> talking. >> >> Therefore anyone proposing to do work on standards needs to at least >> closely work with the IETF in the standardisation area if not work >> within the IETF. > > As I presume we all know, standardization is a very competitive > business, and forum-shopping is a fact of life. If one SDO does not > deliver what participants want, they will move to a different SDO. Absolutely true. Therefore our task as operators should be to argue at least for cooperation and to offer operational advice. Stay safe and healthy Daniel </blockquote></div>