<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-IE" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think this entire thing from the EC is just plain nuts.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The draft statement is good and I�d support it. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">--<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://www.blacknight.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://michele.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">cooperation-wg <cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Olivier MJ Cr�pin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com><br> <b>Date: </b>Saturday, 5 February 2022 at 20:51<br> <b>To: </b>Desiree Miloshevic <miloshevic@gmail.com>, Cooperation Working Group <cooperation-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Cc: </b>Sebastien Bachollet <sebicann@bachollet.fr><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [cooperation-wg] DNS4EU - proposal for a community response - draft<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:solid #FFCACA 1.0pt;padding:12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt;background:#FFCACA"> <p style="background:#FFCACA;border:none;padding:0cm"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">[EXTERNAL EMAIL]</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear Desiree,<br> <br> on this, speaking from a personal perspective and not EURALO, which I'll leave to S�bastien Bachollet, I should add that I agree with the points the Statement makes, with the added point that the inherent robustness of the Internet has always been due to its diversity: diverse technologies with nameservers and resolvers that were running on a variety of technologies. Putting together a uniform set of DNS resolvers, all of which run on the same technology, will actually weaken the European Internet infrastructure rather than enhance it, as it will reduce that diversity of technologies that mitigates attacks using specific security flaws and buggy updates.<br> Kindest regards,<br> <br> Olivier<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On 03/02/2022 22:16, Desiree Miloshevic wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Dear members, dear all</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Further to the RIPE NCC�s summary of the DNS4EU Open House discussion and further to your witnessing of our earlier 'transparent wordsmithing consultation' with other RIPE - WG Chairs,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">I�d like to propose the following high level statement draft for your consideration. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Julf and myself, as Co-Chairs are in agreement with this draft statement and Achilleas had excused himself due to his affiliation with the EC.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">We�d like to know if there is some support from members for having a RIPE community response on this proposal?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">We would really appreciate your feedback or any comments you�d wish to make or if you'd like us to work further on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Many thanks for your consideration and the feedback,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Desiree<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">--<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Coop WG Co-Chair</span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Proposed DNS4EU RIPE community statement comments</span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <ol start="1" type="1"> <li class="gmail-1" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-east-asian:normal"> <span class="gmail-"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">RIPE community believes that governance of the DNS resolution chain, which is such an important element of everybody's Internet connectivity, should involve all stakeholders and can not solely rely on legislation and regulatory oversight.</span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> </div> <ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1"> <li class="gmail-2" style="color:black;margin-top:9.0pt;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-east-asian:normal"> <span class="gmail-"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">RIPE Community hopes that any winning bidder will adhere to what we see as a fundamental property of the Internet, with a diverse and competitive landscape, anchored on the principles of multistakeholder Internet governance.</span></span><span class="gmail-"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <div> <ol start="2" type="1"> <li class="gmail-1" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-east-asian:normal"> <span class="gmail-"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">RIPE Community believes that the responsibility of well-functioning Internet access including the DNS resolution is with the access providers. We believe it should stay that way. </span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> </div> <div> <ol start="3" type="1"> <li class="gmail-1" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-east-asian:normal"> <span class="gmail-"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We understand that to be able to minimise some risks when the end user selects a random DNS resolver, a possible and feasible solution is to have the access provider run their local DNS resolvers and/or an additional DNS resolver as a back-up. </span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> </div> <ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="4" type="1"> <li class="gmail-2" style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:9.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-east-asian:normal"> <span class="gmail-"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We hope that the EU could allocate DNS4EU funds to the local Internet community and encourage Internet access providers to run their local DNS resolvers. Additionally, the funds can be also used towards the development of open source software for better and affordable DNS resolution services.</span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <div> <div> <p class="gmail-1" style="margin-left:36.0pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On 2 Feb 2022, at 15:26, Chris Buckridge <<a href="mailto:chrisb@ripe.net">chrisb@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="gmail-1" style="margin-left:36.0pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dear colleagues, Thank you to all who joined for the RIPE NCC Open House discussion of DNS4EU on Monday, 31 January. We have posted a summary of some key points and links to the video archive here: <a href="https://labs.ripe.net/author/chrisb/dns4eu-ripe-ncc-open-house-discussion/"> https://labs.ripe.net/author/chrisb/dns4eu-ripe-ncc-open-house-discussion/</a> Cheers Chris -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/cooperation-wg">https:</a><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </blockquote> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre> <pre>Olivier MJ Cr�pin-Leblond, PhD<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre><a href="http://www.gih.com/ocl.html">http://www.gih.com/ocl.html</a><o:p></o:p></pre> </div> </div> </body> </html>