[db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 at 17:03, denis walker via db-wg <db-wg at ripe.net> wrote:

> Hi Gert
>
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 at 16:05, Gert Doering <gert at space.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 03:55:26PM +0100, denis walker via db-wg wrote:
> > > This new anti-spam measure is a convenient point to reflect on how one
> > > part of the RIPE Database is used. Notifications are just one part of
> > > an audit system. Many other parts are missing. To be sending out 30k
> > > emails a day to hundreds of thousands of email addresses stored in a
> > > public database as part of an incomplete audit system has to stop.
> > > Notification emails on this scale are a relic of the past.
> >
> > Just as a counterpoint, I do like my notification e-mails.  Push
> > notification in case I do need to care, and *only then*.
> >
> > And I totally dislike having to actually look into some sort of
> > portal / web UI "is there anything I should be aware of?", because
> > this sort of polling is eating brain cycles for no good.
>
> But looking through lots of email notifications about changes that you
> already know about, because you did them, and maybe in the middle is a
> notification of an attempted security breach that failed on
> authentication (that you may miss), doesn't that also eat up brain
> cycles?
>
> So how about a compromise. A full audit trail of all details of all
> changes to all your data available by default  to designated people
> through your portal account. Plus a daily email summarising all the
> changes also sent to people whose email addresses are set up in the
> portal account. So still no notif email addresses needed all across
> the database. This could even be done per maintainer.
>

and of course this would be optional to reduce emails sent.


>
> cheers
> denis
> co-chair DB-WG
>
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> > (Having a good audit trail is fine, in case I know I'm looking for
> > something - but I do just want to see "something under my administration
> > has changed", in case I do not yet know I should be looking)
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