<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi Denis, </div><div><br></div><div>Hope that your health is improved. Sorry to hear about that. </div><div><br></div><div>The question that I have is, will you be able to attend RIPE meetings? </div><div>Not many RIPE meetings are in The Netherlands anymore and the last meeting that I can see that you attended was while working at RIPE NCC in Warsaw ( RIPE68 - May 2014) <br><br>And a (co)-chair should be present at the meetings as much as possible imho. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm not debating your knowlegde on the DB, but if this isn't working from a logistics point, a chair position may not be the best choice atm. </div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Erik Bais <br><br></div><div><br>Op 16 nov. 2016 om 18:26 heeft <<a href="mailto:ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk">ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk</a>> <<a href="mailto:ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk">ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk</a>> het volgende geschreven:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93867">Hi All</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93868"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93702"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93703"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93704">The
point about my communication style has been raised a couple of times. I
have never been one to shy away from difficult issues so I will address
this point directly.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93705"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93706" clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93707" dir="ltr">As
Elvis said I was a little upset at the way I left the RIPE NCC, mostly
with one person in particular who developed a dislike of me over the
years. As that person is no longer with the NCC I consider that chapter closed and confined to history.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93708" dir="ltr"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93709" clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93710" dir="ltr">I
have also been wrestling with some health issues over the last couple
of years that caused quite a lot of stress and anxiety in me. This did
increase my tendency to express some issues in a manner that, in the
cold light of day, I may well have put more tactfully.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93711" dir="ltr"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93712" clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93713" dir="ltr">With
most of this behind me now, I am only looking forward to, hopefully, a
new chapter in my working relationship with the RIPE Database, the RIPE
NCC and the RIPE community.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93714" dir="ltr"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93715" clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93716" dir="ltr">cheers</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93717" dir="ltr">denis<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93718" clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93719" dir="ltr"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93866" dir="ltr"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93720" clear="none"></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93963"><span></span><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93670" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93669" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93668" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93667" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93671" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Elvis Daniel Velea <<a href="mailto:elvis@velea.eu">elvis@velea.eu</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:db-wg@ripe.net">db-wg@ripe.net</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 16 November 2016, 17:21<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93745"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93744" style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [db-wg] WG Chairs Selection<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478895301916_93672" class="y_msg_container"><br>Hi everyone,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I am also one of the former RIPE NCC employees that has had the pleasure <br clear="none">to work with both David and Denis.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 11/14/16 10:34 PM, Kennedy, James wrote:<br clear="none">> Hi,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Hope it's not too late to express my approval of David, Denis and Piotr.<br clear="none">><br clear="none"><br>I also have had the pleasure to talk to Denis a few times and attend a <br clear="none">few of his presentations to our department where he was showcasing his <br clear="none">views on the RIPE Database. He is probably one of the few in this world <br clear="none">with such insight on the whole design and history of the database.<br clear="none">> While I haven’t agreed with some of his methods in raising genuine db issues/concerns on the mailing list, I do think that (working closely with his co-chair(s)) his knowledge can be channelled to provide the community with valuable guidance/feedback.<br clear="none">I am sure Denis would also make a great co-chair and the only reason why <br clear="none">he is second on my list is the way he has decided to handle the <br clear="none">communication with this WG and the NCC after he has left the NCC.<br clear="none">While I can understand that he was upset, the way he has tried to attack <br clear="none">a few of his ex-colleagues in public, on this mailing list, was wrong.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Hoping that his need for revenge has calmed down and the worst has <br clear="none">passed, I also think his experience will be a great asset to the chairs <br clear="none">of this WG.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> I approve Piotr because of his chair experience and good work up to now.<br clear="none">+1<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Finally, thanks to both Nigel and Job for their years of fine support as chairs :)<br clear="none">Great job you guys! Thanks!<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Regards,<br clear="none">> James<br clear="none">cheers,<br clear="none">elvis<br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></blockquote></body></html>