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<span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Dear </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">D</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">atabase</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> W</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">orking
 Group Members</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">,</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">The four-week discussion phase for </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">the </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">policy
 proposal "2022-01 Personal data in the RIPE Database" ended on 15 July. In agreement with the proposer, we</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> have</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> decided
 to</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">move</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> the proposal into the Review Phase</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> but</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">postponed</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> its
 start to the end of August</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">. This was </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">done keeping</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> in
 mind that </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">the upcoming vacation period might prevent participation in the discussion and the timely publication of the RIPE NCC Impact Analysis</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">.</span></p>
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</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Please note that the </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">RIPE </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Database
 WG Co-Chair Denis Walker is the author of this policy proposal, hence he </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">is </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">not
 taking part in the decisions regarding consensus.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">The RIPE NCC Policy Officer will announce the start of the Review phase together with the publication of the policy draft and impact analysis.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
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</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">For</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> reference, </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">here’s</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> a
 short summary of the discussion so far:</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Ronald Guilmette posted many messages strongly opposing the proposal, advocating instead for </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">the</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> accurate
 verification of WHOIS data and for </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">not publishing</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> personal
 data for privacy reasons only in special legitimate cases. </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">His main points of disagreement were:</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">a)    The transparency of the database would suffer, affecting LEAs</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">’</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> and
 researchers’ work.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">b)    The postal address is managed solely by the resource holder </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">and </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">not
 by the RIPE NCC.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">c)    The postal address can already</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> be</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> concealed
 using, e.g., a PO box.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">d)    Only a minority in the community is ask</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">ing for </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">the
 postal address</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> not to be published</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">, </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">which
 does</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">n</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">’</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">t
 justify the effort and cost of implementation.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">e)    More contact details might </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">fall</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> under
 the same new proposed rule in the future.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">f)    Accepting the proposal would change the historical practice of the RIPE Database.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">g)    There is no legal basis for the proposed changes.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">The proposer addressed the concerns above as follows:</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">a)    </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">The transparency achieved is questionable if it's based
 on </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">unverified </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">data</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">b)    End Users are not always aware that their address </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">has
 been</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> entered in the RIPE Database by the LIR.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">c)    Addresses like </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">those of </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">PO
 box</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">es</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">do
 not</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">help</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> LEAs</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> or</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">researchers.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">d)    Implementation could be supported using the existing ARCs.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">e)    There is no mention of further changes in the proposal.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">f)    Historical practice should not be treated as a requirement.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">g)    Legal aspects should be further clarified by the RIPE NCC legal team.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Niels Bakker supported the proposal as it would allow the RIPE NCC to offer a way to prevent LIRs from entering End Users’ personal data in the RIPE Database.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Some ideas for modifying the proposal were posted:</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">- Ronald Guilmette suggested to address the verification of contact details entered in the RIPE Database with a separate proposal that he would support, provided
 that the implementation challenges, costs, and consequences for non-compliance would be clarified. This would split the existing proposal in two: VERIFICATION and REDACTION.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">- Sylvain Baya, contributed to the discussion </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">and </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">also </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">posted</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">links
 to RIPE Labs articles published in the past about the proposal’s topics. He supported Ronald’s suggestion of </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">allowing the RIPE NCC to accept the requests of
 exemption from publication of the Personally Identifiable Information (PII) made by natural persons who need Internet resources and can legally demonstrate their privacy requirement. Sylva</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">i</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">n
 also suggested </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">splitting</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> the subject into a set of proposals:
 one about the general principles for processing data within the RIPE Database, one about *insertion* of PII within the RIPE Database, one about the *query* of the RIPE Database and one for handling the current PII present into the RIPE Database.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">- Leo </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Vegoda</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> suggested
 clearly separat</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">ing</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> the sections defining a principle from
 those defining </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">its</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> implementation.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">- Cynthia </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Revström</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> supported
 the proposal and suggested </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">rewording</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> the proposal clarifying
 that </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">entering </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">the full home address is never justified and
 that the default should be no address at all for individuals. </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">The assumption should be</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> that
 any address an individual is operating from is a home address unless the individual themselves clearly say that it is not.</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
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</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Please let me know if you have any questions. </span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br>
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</span><span class="s2" style="line-height: 21.600000381469727px; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Kind regards,</span></p>
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