<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div>Hi Amanda</div><div><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41781">You cannot include a question of this nature without first considering the consequences of someone answering it in good faith. They may believe it is being 'collected' anonymously. If this is stored on a RIPE NCC server (that could be hacked) in a personally identifiable way with several RIPE NCC staff members having access to the identifiable raw data, then it is not secure.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41863"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41924">If you wish to collect these metrics there should be a separate pop up window or link associated with the registration form where this information can be entered and collected by a third party completely detached from the personally identifiable registration data.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41928"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41951">I would strongly oppose any proposal to collect such data in an identifiable way.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41711"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41925"><span>cheers</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41926"><span>denis</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41712" class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41716" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41715" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41714" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41713" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41717" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41927" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Amanda Gowland <agowland@ripe.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> denis walker <ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk>; "diversity@ripe.net" <diversity@ripe.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, 2 June 2017, 15:49<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [diversity] Options for gender on meeting registration<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41718" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv9460103848"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41720">
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_41719" class="yiv9460103848moz-cite-prefix">Hi Denis, <br clear="none">
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On 02/06/17 15:32, denis walker wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div id="yiv9460103848yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_23651">Hi All</div>
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<div id="yiv9460103848yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_24453">I am a bit late
in getting into this group, but had a few pointers/concerns
sent to me.</div>
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<div id="yiv9460103848yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_24524">I am not sure
what the goals are with trying to measure all these metrics -
gender, sexuality, religion, race, class. What are you going
to do if you find only 1% of attendees are gay? Are you going
to offer incentives to gay people attending to increase it to
the population average?</div>
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Did you watch the presentation from the plenary session on Friday
morning or read the RIPE Labs article? Those might be a good place
to start for some background info/context.<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv9460103848yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_24558">I am
also DEEPLY concerned at the rush to get some question(s) on
the registration form for RIPE 75. What you are asking for is
the most sensitive and personal information people can give.
With some of the countries in our region, if this information
gets into the wrong hands it can cost lives. There are
serious, serious, serious privacy concerns here.</div>
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Agree that it's sensitive info, which is why we want it to be
opt-in...and the scope of the questions we'll include is being
discussed. <br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv9460103848yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_24598">Amanda
said "This data will only be used anonymously for metric
benchmarking."</div>
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Taken out of context a bit here, Denis. I wasn't making a statement,
I was suggesting options on text to include for background
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Sorry, but before we get to how this data is going to be used:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv9460103848yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_24649">-how
is it going to be collected</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv9460103848yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_24748">-who
is going to collect it<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv9460103848yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_24633">-how
and where will it be stored</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv9460103848yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_24675">-who
has access to the raw data</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv9460103848yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_24690">-how
will the sensitive data be harvested from the personally
identifiable data</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv9460103848yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_24706">-are
there Dutch/EU data protection issues with collecting/storing
this data in an identifiable way</div>
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We have a legal team that will be involved before anything is
announced or implemented. This thread is merely to find out the
scope of a question we *could* include on the form *if possible* in
time for RIPE 75. <br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv9460103848yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496396781479_24739">This
is not something you announce on a Thursday with a deadline
for a decision on Monday. I hope a lot more thought and care
will be applied to potentially life threatening personal
information.</div>
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Nothing's been announced. I was asking for input to include in our
discussion with SWE on Tuesday.<div class="yiv9460103848yqt6722904557" id="yiv9460103848yqtfd09289"><br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">cheers</div>
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