<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65242"><span>Hi Amanda<br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65293"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65460" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459">Thanks for the update but it is still not acceptable. Surveymonkey is for cheap, diy surveys. The RIPE NCC sets up and operates the survey. That is simply NOT acceptable with such sensitive personal data.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65559" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65560" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459"> First of all you have the possibility of user error in configuration and NOT turn off IP address collection. I won't accept the argument that "this won't happen" or "we will be very careful". I have been in this industry for a long time. Even the most obvious and simple configurations are set wrongly at times.<br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65524" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65566" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459">Secondly you have the option to look at individual results from survey users. These include a very precise timestamp. That can be correlated with the registration data and you can identify individuals.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_66048" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_66049" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459">Stop trying to do this on the cheap. If you want to collect such highly sensitive personal data, contract a third party company to operate a survey for you and send a report back to the RIPE NCC of the anonymous data collected. Something like you do for a member or staff survey. Yes it costs money to do that, but it is the only acceptable way forward.<br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_66050" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_66086" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459">You are asking a group of mostly technical people to provide this sensitive personal data. They know how software works and how data is stored and handled. I doubt anyone from Russia and it's neighbours, the middle east and parts of Africa will do anything other than respond with their biological gender. It is too risky to do anything else, so some will lie. Your results will be meaningless.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_66087" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_66088" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459">I object to using surveymonkey for this survey.<br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_66089" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_66102" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459">cheers</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_66103" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65459">denis</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65247" class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65251" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65250" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65249" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65248" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_66104" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Amanda Gowland <agowland@ripe.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "diversity@ripe.net" <diversity@ripe.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 15 June 2017, 11:59<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [diversity] Proposal for anonymous gender metric question now on RIPE Labs<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65252" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65253" dir="ltr">Hi all,<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65256" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65255" dir="ltr">Based on our discussions here, I've written a post for RIPE Labs on how <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65254" dir="ltr">we can include an anonymous question to gather gender metrics on the <br></div><div dir="ltr">RIPE 75 meeting registration form.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/agowland/gathering-gender-metrics-at-ripe-meetings" target="_blank">https://labs.ripe.net/Members/agowland/gathering-gender-metrics-at-ripe-meetings</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Happy to hear your input.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1497435678835_65267" dir="ltr">Thanks,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Amanda<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">Diversity mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a ymailto="mailto:Diversity@ripe.net" href="mailto:Diversity@ripe.net">Diversity@ripe.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity</a><br></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>