<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">We’re working on amending the text. <br><br><div dir="ltr" id="AppleMailSignature">Sasha</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On 17 Oct 2019, at 15:36, Amanda Gowland <<a href="mailto:agowland@ripe.net">agowland@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">When the TF asked for clarity on the
remit of the Trusted Contacts, we were informed on the list that:
<br>
<br>
"Yes, I would argue that there are examples where the trusted
contacts<br>
together with the RIPE chair have taken actions successfully.
Maybe we<br>
weren't so good at reporting back to the community (which of
course<br>
would help with the perception part)."<br>
<br>
and <br>
<br>
"As Trusted Contacts, our primary responsibility is
confidentiality of the report to us. Our training was as a
"vertrouwenspersoon," although
<pre wrap="">fortunately for me that was the only part of the training that took
place in Dutch.
This makes the production of reports somewhat difficult as above all we
do not want those who have reported an issue to us to feel they could be
identified through that report -- or that in future they do not report
an issue for fear of being identified (the simple act of writing down
the report is even something to consider).
We do report back to Hans Petter, and we are currently working on a
report but with the figures quite abstracted as a result. If others
that have been involved in similar work elsewhere have examples of the
level of public report we could be producing, they would be welcome. So
far, my suggestion is that it is no more detailed than something along
the lines of the following categories:
- "In-meeting behaviour";
- "Behaviour at social events";
- "Mailing list behaviour"
The number of reports we do receive is, as that report will show, quite low. "
</pre>
On 17/10/2019 15:33, Sasha Romijn wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:5F932B41-BFDA-485C-81C7-477D43763E14@mxsasha.eu">
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
I am definitely confused, because the text as written in the notes
is precisely how I heard it multiple times from at least one of
the other trusted contacts.<br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr" id="AppleMailSignature">Sasha</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
On 17 Oct 2019, at 15:29, Brian Nisbet <<a href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie" moz-do-not-send="true">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=utf-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Exchange Server">
<!-- converted from text -->
<style><!-- .EmailQuote { margin-left: 1pt; padding-left: 4pt; border-left: #800000 2px solid; } --></style>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
background-color:rgb(255,255,255); text-align:left">
Mirjam,</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
background-color:rgb(255,255,255); text-align:left">
<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
background-color:rgb(255,255,255); text-align:left">
Ok, so, then there is confusion, and, if you could help,
what can they do?</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
background-color:rgb(255,255,255); text-align:left">
<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
background-color:rgb(255,255,255); text-align:left">
I can edit and re-upload.</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
background-color:rgb(255,255,255); text-align:left">
<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);
background-color:rgb(255,255,255); text-align:left">
Brian</div>
<div id="x_ms-outlook-mobile-signature">
<div><br>
</div>
Brian Nisbet,<br>
Service Operations Manager, HEAnet</div>
</div>
<hr tabindex="-1" style="display:inline-block; width:98%">
<div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Mirjam Kuehne <<a href="mailto:mir@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true">mir@ripe.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 17, 2019 3:22:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brian Nisbet <<a href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie" moz-do-not-send="true">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a>>;
<a href="mailto:diversity@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true">diversity@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:diversity@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true">diversity@ripe.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [diversity] Community Plenary
Presentation</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
</div>
<font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;">
<div class="PlainText"><br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
On slides 5 in the speaker notes (which I assume will be
published?) it<br>
says:<br>
<br>
""Trusted contacts will emotionally support you, but
absolutely can not<br>
take any other action. Effectively, our CoC creates a
false sense of<br>
security. So our community’s current status is: if you
get severely<br>
harassed at the party, which is a thing that happens, we
can say how<br>
sorry we are for you, and tomorrow and next year your
assailant will be<br>
sitting next to you. There is a CoC, but there is no
accountability or<br>
consequences.”"<br>
<br>
This is not true and as I pointed out earlier on this
list the Trusted<br>
contacts (and the RIPE Chair) have taken action in the
past. I agree<br>
that the responsibilities of the Trusted Contacts may
not be well<br>
understood or documented, but stating it like in the
text above is wrong.<br>
<br>
Mirjam<br>
<br>
<br>
On 17/10/2019 14:58, Brian Nisbet wrote:<br>
> Folks,<br>
> <br>
> Amanda, Denesh, Sasha and I have put this
presentation together for the community plenary this
afternoon. It is forthright, but we definitely feel that
it needs to be so.<br>
> <br>
> We are going to make it clear that we're still
accepting comments on v3.0, but also still looking at
having this in place for RIPE 80 if at all possible.<br>
> <br>
> I know I and others present in Rotterdam have got
some really good further feedback.<br>
> <br>
> And, of course, as with all things, whatever CoC we
have is never set in stone, it's always changeable as
situations change.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks for everyone's input on this so far!<br>
> <br>
> Brian<br>
> <br>
> Brian Nisbet<br>
> Service Operations Manager<br>
> HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and
Research Network<br>
> 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7,
Ireland<br>
> +35316609040 <a href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie" moz-do-not-send="true">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a> <a href="http://www.heanet.ie" moz-do-not-send="true">www.heanet.ie</a><br>
> Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> diversity mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:diversity@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true">diversity@ripe.net</a><br>
> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity</a><br>
> <br>
<br>
</div>
</span></font>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br>
<span>diversity mailing list</span><br>
<span><a href="mailto:diversity@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true">diversity@ripe.net</a></span><br>
<span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity</a></span><br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
diversity mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:diversity@ripe.net">diversity@ripe.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<p><br>
</p>
</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>diversity mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:diversity@ripe.net">diversity@ripe.net</a></span><br><span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>