IoT Working Group Minutes - RIPE 78

Date:  23 May 2019, 11:00 - 12:30
WG Co-Chairs: Jim Reid (Sandoche Balakrichenan was confirmed as the new co-chair of the IoT-WG)
Scribe: Elena Signorelli
Status: Draft

1.  Administrivia

The presentation is available at: https://ripe78.ripe.net/archives/video/101/
There were no questions or comments.

2. ITU Study Group 20 Update (remote presentation)
Patrik FŠltstršm, Netnod

The presentation is available at: https://ripe78.ripe.net/archives/video/104/

There were no questions or comments.

3. RIOT Summit Report, Matthias WŠhlisch
Freie Universitaet Berlin

The presentation is available at: https://ripe78.ripe.net/archives/video/104/

There were no questions or comments.

4. RIPE Atlas: Ethical, Security and Legal Aspects of Running an IoT Network 
Mirjam KŸhne, RIPE NCCÊ

The presentation is available at:  https://ripe78.ripe.net/archives/video/105/

Mirjam noted that an Internet draft published within the IETF framework is out of date. 
Jim Reid confirmed itÕs obsolete. 

Mirjam closed by directing people to RIPE Labs and her colleague Robert Kisteleki for more information.

Chris, speaking for himself asked how long the project had been running for, and how many generations of probes there have been.
Mirjam said that the project started in 2010 and is now on the fourth version of probes. 
Chris was concerned that the only source code available was for Bizzy Box - he offered to help get the rest of the source code published.
Jim Reid proposed that the RIPE NCC create a RIPE Document that outlines specifications and best current practices for IoT devices and networks. Mirjam suggested that the Working Group help the RIPE NCC with this.
Jan Zorz (Internet Society) also contributed by suggesting this as a topic for the best current operational practice document.

Marco Hogewoning (RIPE NCC) said that this was a good idea and the RIPE NCC would rely on input from the RIPE community. He also asked for clarification: was the Working Group looking for technical implementation specs or to make reference to the UK? He was concerned about delving too deep into this.

Daniel Karrenberg (RIPE NCC) suggested that people think about how the scope can be limited in a useful way. He suggested this done by considering how adverse effects on the Internet infrastructure concerning IoT devices.


5. Building a Smart House and You Want to Do It Yourself?
Jan ?or?Ê

The presentation is available at: https://ripe78.ripe.net/archives/video/107/

Jan ?or?Êpresented on behalf of himself rather than his employer, Internet Society. 

Benedikt Stockebrand, speaking for himself, advised that using wireless allows people to listen in and it doesnÕt offer anything like crypto. Highlighted battery consumption and concerns about interference from a neighbouring ÒIoT labÓ. He also said that Whois.net released a 6,000 (approx.) chipset that is IPv6 compatible. 
Leonid Kirillov asked Jan if he preferred IPv6 over IPv4. Jan said he didnÕt want to manage two stacks in his house Ð his house will be IPv6 only.

Jordi Palet (The IPv6 Company) shared his experience, he started to build home automation in 2003.

Owen DeLong (ARIN) suggested using the Arduino development environment because it allows full flexibility of wifi and for the 8266 you can get ESP 12 modules for $1.75.

Jari Arkko (Ericsson) said itÕs important to have control of your data and to change components as technology changes. Jan said its important to include an understanding of privacy/security when designing a smart home.



6. Spinning CPEs: Collaborative Work on CPE IoT Protection
Jelte Jansen, SIDN Labs and Peter SteinhaŸser, EmbeddÊ

The presentation is available at: https://ripe78.ripe.net/archives/video/108/

Jan ?or?Ê(Internet Society) said that he didnÕt know Apple implemented 464 XLAT on the iPhone.


7. A Residential IoT Un-Quarantine Playbook (remote presentation)
Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works

The presentation was postponed to the next RIPE Meeting, due to time. 
Presentation slides can be found at: https://ripe78.ripe.net/presentations/114-RIPE-IoT-Unquarantine-expanded.pdf