Dear mailing list, Thilo, *THUMBS-UP* from fellow lurking members! :) Going back to complaints on training activities and it's budget: I personally have an opinion that that sort of service is not actually delivered well enough in some areas of the RIPE service region - for instance, I haven't had a chance to catch routing registry training in Russia for last 3 years (on my memory neither Moscow nor St.Petersburg hosted those courses since 2008), not to mention how difficult it may be to attend any training courses for LIRs in far eastern parts of Russia. Understanding how overall Internet routing quality benefits from widely available trainings on the matter, I don't see it reasonable to discard that service just to slightly cut membership fees - I'd even welcome slight increase if the knowledge sharing services would get enhanced! 11.10.2011 14:23 �� "Thilo Bangert" <<a href="mailto:bangert@parknet.dk">bangert@parknet.dk</a>> ��: > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:18:13 AM Geert Hauwaerts wrote: > > Dear RIPE Board and Members, > > > > In line with recent events and out of respect for the members I strongly > > advise you to postpone the discussion about the amending of the membership > > fees and focus on the budgeting first. > > > > I strongly agree with the motions raised about maintaining a responsible > > budget; and perhaps in light of recent developments, we should take a > > moment and evaluate some of the projects the RIPE NCC has taken on itself. > > > > Additionally, and without any disrespect, if any of the Board Members feel > > they do not have adequate time to fulfill their duties; they might wish to > > vacate their seat in favor of somebody who does. > > > > it's great to see people caring about issues at RIPE. IMHO it's not so great > that some seem to derail the discussion on the membership fees. > > RIPE is growing and therefore they need more money. do the math - and listen > to what other people on this list say: while the budget is increasing the > individual membership fee is not (as much), since there're many more members > to shoulder the burden. also the increased budget is necessary to fund the > actions decided upon by the community. > > How many of those objecting the current budget have been involved in shaping > these actions? Given that the only suggestions seem to be cutting meetings and > trainings i get at strong impression that there has not been any involvement > at all... > > run-out-fairly requires extra work - but its most definitively the small LIRs > that profit from it and that is a good thing. > > the increased service level with the much improved database tools etc. are > much welcome investments well worth their money. > > and no - this is no blank check for RIPE either. i still felt well represented > as "the quiet majority" by the RIPE EB. > thanks > > kind regards > Thilo > > > > Met Vriendelijke Groeten - Cordialement - Best Regards > > Geert Hauwaerts. > > > > From: <a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a> > > [mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On Behalf Of Matthew Hattersley > > Sent: dinsdag 11 oktober 2011 10:39 > > Cc: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012 > > > > > > +1 > > > > Wouldn't want to be one of the unheard that ripe claim to represent. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 11 Oct 2011, at 10:35, "<a href="mailto:poty@iiat.ru">poty@iiat.ru</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:poty@iiat.ru">poty@iiat.ru</a>>" > <<a href="mailto:poty@iiat.ru">poty@iiat.ru</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:poty@iiat.ru">poty@iiat.ru</a>>> wrote: > > > As far as those not contributing in the list "not care" or "agreed with > > > everything" it is unwise to predict "what the membership as a whole > > > wants". All the more nobody can act as God to be able to say: "I know > > > what everybody thinks and what everybody wants". > > > I appreciate the answers of RIPE NCC, but "I am happy to monitor", "Rest > > > assured", "the board is very well paying attention" are not answers the > > > members of the list are waiting for and doesn't bring any clear vision > > > on the process of determination of what changes we should welcomed at > > > GM. The questions at the RIPE meeting will be late and not productive at > > > all. > > > Looking at the expenses in the proposed budget I can see the increase in > > > all parts. I do not agree with the situation. Some time ago in 1998 I > > > was in London attending the RIPE courses. It was 5* hotel and one of the > > > natives said with some sadness, "We all do not live like that!" Maybe > > > we'll look into decreasing the pomp for all our rather technical > > > meetings/courses/hotels...? I'll look also into decreasing the stuff: as > > > soon as it's said they are the best in the industry they can do more > > > than average middle-salaried worker. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vladislav Potapov > > > Ru.iiat > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: > > >> <a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.ne">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.ne</a> > > >> t> [mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss-">members-discuss-</a> <a href="mailto:bounces@ripe.net">bounces@ripe.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:bounces@ripe.net">bounces@ripe.net</a>>] > > >> On Behalf Of Christian Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:54 AM > > >> To: Nigel Titley > > >> Cc: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>> > > >> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012 > > >> > > >> ...as Nigel and Fahad said, the board is very well paying attention to > > >> the list and what the members want. > > >> And for the ones who don't want to send an email to the list, feel > > > > > > free > > > > > >> to send a direct email to us or even better feel free to talk to us in > > >> person at the next RIPE meeting.:-) > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> > > >> ck > > >> > > >> On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Nigel Titley wrote: > > >>> On 10/10/2011 22:50, Fahad AlShirawi wrote: > > >>>> And on my side I am happy to monitor the members' discussion and > > > > > > see > > > > > >> what it is the members want and then to bring it up internally. Rest > > >> assured Hank that we will consider all concerns where applicable and > > > > > > as > > > > > >> much as possible within the constraints we have. > > >> > > >>> Yes, thanks for making this clear, Fahad. > > >>> > > >>> As far as I am aware, all members of the board read this list and > > >> > > >> take > > >> > > >>> notice of what the members want. Our sometimes difficult job is to > > >> > > >> try > > >> > > >>> and sort out what the membership as a whole wants, rather than just > > >> > > >> the > > >> > > >>> dozen or so active contributors to the list. > > >>> > > >>> Always feel free to send any of us a direct personal question or > > >>> comment, especially if there is a period of quiet. As I've mentioned > > >>> before, we all have day jobs which sometimes intrude on our board > > >> > > >> work. > > >> > > >>> Nigel > > >>> > > >>> ---- > > >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC > > > > > > members-discuss > > > > > >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > > >> > > >> general page: > > >>> <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view</a> > > >>> > > >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". > > >> > > >> From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > >> > > >> > > >> ---- > > >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > > >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > > >> general page: > > >> <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view</a> > > >> > > >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > > >> here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > > > ---- > > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > > > general page: <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view</a> > > > > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > > > here, you can add or remove addresses. > > -- > Thilo Bangert > IT-Lauget Parknet > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view</a> > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. kind regards, Artem