<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">This.<div><br></div><div>Besides i would just delegate the RIPE works then to "EDIS RIPE Limited" which has exactly that in revenue what it needs to pay the RIPE bills - What then?</div><div>Might be not correct, but that would be fully legal and set us in the smallest possible revenue (and thus member category)...</div><div><br></div><div>(And yes, i am one of these individuals which holds PI space, and no, i will never pay RIPE even a single cent for this - There is also no contract for this, ENDusers pay to their LIR and nothing else.)</div><div><br></div><div>This discussion is nice to read (in particular on mobile, stops me from getting bored) but neither needed nor very productive....</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>Am 17.07.2012 um 15:41 schrieb Sascha Luck:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 03:00:14PM +0200, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Therefore I do not find scandalous that a bigger LIR that probably makes<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">billions per year (e.g. mobile companies) should pay to RIPE 50K Euros<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">per year. RIPE is not useful only to me, but to EVERY SINGLE EUROPEAN<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">LIR. Moreover, the more resources (e.g. IPv4, AS, etc) you allocate, the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">more you use the DB, the more you open tickets, etc.<br></blockquote><br>Firstly, not everyone makes money from the use of resources.<br>Non-profits, charitable organisations, and individuals with PI space<br>exist. <br>Secondly, it would require the NCC to *know* how much money a member<br>makes and this information is something a non-public company would not<br>be keen to divulge.<br>Thirdly, I'm sure there are many large telcos who, while using large<br>amounts of resources, are actually making a loss on paper. Will they get<br>a free ride?<br><br><blockquote type="cite">1) can we delegate somebody to go and vote? If so we could ask to other<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Lirs or Associations of Providers to step in and do vote for N LIRs. I<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">do not think that would be a problem to delegate somebody who will<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">represent your company, isn't it?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">2) do we have a remote mechanism to participate and vote?<br></blockquote><br>A member can nominate a proxy to vote on their behalf or vote<br>electronically (that has in the past not always been possible for all <br>votes) as laid out in <a href="http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-514">http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-514</a><br><br>I note that <a href="http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm">http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm</a> does not have any<br>information regarding these possibilities, maybe the NCC could remedy<br>this?<br><br>rgds,<br>Sascha Luck<br><br>----<br>If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br>mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br><a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view</a><br><br>Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>