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    Hey,<br>
    <br>
    am i the only person having the feeling that there is a private
    issue going on here?<br>
    I mean come on, this guy has the bigger one, i am jalous too, but as
    part of the RIPE NCC i think i really should trust the persons
    working for the NCC.<br>
    For my understanding with every new allocation (and he has a lot..)
    there is an Audit going on.<br>
    <br>
    Ok, he is announcing part of the networks outside the RIPE Area, but
    for my understanding that is ok as long as the company and the core
    network is based in Europe.  Or did i missed something.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 21.11.2013 17:12, schrieb William
      Weber:<br>
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      Hello together,
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      <div>So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were
        my previous contact tries ignored? 
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        <div>I was in fact <b>AT YOUR ADDRESS</b> in Holland in 2012,
          nobody there - I would have someone sent to your address in
          China also, but that one is unclear described.</div>
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          <div>>I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data
            about me personally and my  private company as well</div>
          <div>I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the
            PLA?), all data was obtained legally in my country of
            residence (Slovenia) and Austria - I can not vouch for
            correctness but in the past it was usually near the
            expected.</div>
          <div>Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands.</div>
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            <div dir="auto">making an criminal charge(corruption) to
              Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish our private income data in
              the public space without supporting evidence are very
              serious offense under european law, although my lawyer
              strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my
              self to write here just because I would appreciate
              member's understanding and community's support.</div>
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            <div>I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law
              would be applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all,
              considering that Slovenia/Austria as per constitution
              cannot extradict citizens)?</div>
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            <div>The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully
              legal to make, even the implication of it would be - The
              RIPE ticket system is also not the public and neither is
              the mailing list, it is a closed system.</div>
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        <div>You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose
          currently, and once cleared move to Israel which does neither
          extradict nor care much about Europe.</div>
        <div>The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013,
          the Austrian police investigates my financial transactions,
          the Polish police wants to see me in jail (and has an order
          for that), Hongkong authorities are not amused, my phones and
          internet is taped, i am being followed by the Austrian police.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you
          (and no one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the
          Austrian government does not like me they still send me
          invitations to broadband expansion forums and force me to
          attend and speak.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE
          policies with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the
          one that should explain himself, not me.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>This is also a  note: <b>The statements here are fully
            personal or statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH
            which is however one LIR i represent.</b></div>
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                  <div>William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR:</div>
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        <div>Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" <<a
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            <div>Hi</div>
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            <div>We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for
              mistyping English.</div>
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            <div>we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I
              personally involved and participated in the Ripe policy
              development process,<br>
              <br>
              To inasset network:</div>
            <div><br>
              I wonder how you as single organization define "best
              interest of ripe member" and justifying other member's IP
              usage?<br>
              Kind regards
              <div><br>
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              <div>Lu</div>
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            <div><br>
              On 2013-11-21, at 下午12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset
              Networks ]" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              Good Afternoon (in Europe)
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              <div>Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and
                see if RIPE NCC takes action in the event the use of
                your assigned space is not in the best interest of its
                members.</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>For now, we would like to know why you are announcing
                RIPE NCC space in ARIN.</div>
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                <div>El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu <<a
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                    href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a>>
                  escribió:</div>
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                    <div>Hi:</div>
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                    <div>What a surprise morning.</div>
                    <div><br>
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                    <div>I think it was talking about me and my company.</div>
                    <div><br>
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                    <div>To clarify few things, the justification
                      process of our application took very long in ripe
                      NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about us
                      heavily in the major service we provided at the
                      time of it being justified. and corruption claim
                      are very much inappreicate and I would ask you
                      apologizes to Ripe NCC.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Me as individual as been actively involved in
                      the ripe community in past 5 years, and I believe
                      most active member in the list knowing me
                      personally.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>I wondering where you have the inaccurate
                      income data about me personally and my  private
                      company as well. as it can not be obtain legally
                      and the data was not correct. I personally owing
                      quite few companies worldwide but they are all
                      private companies I do not feel the need to share
                      our financial details publicly.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Most part of our business are confidential so
                      sorry we can not provide more details here, like
                      every request, Member base are trusting Ripe NCC
                      to make the right decision at the time of
                      application. That is how business really works,
                      only Ripe NCC has rights to getting into
                      confidential area of member's business, otherwise
                      I believe every member would have to publish </div>
                    <div> every detail about their business to the
                      public.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>And I would ask if you do have more questions
                      for me,  as long as it is not confidential, I'd
                      like to share my stories with you. Please do not
                      bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper
                      for its members and Ripe community, they are not
                      police force, if you do feel we have some unlawful
                      practice--thought I seriously doubt about it,
                      please contact related law enforcement and we are
                      very happy to assist in the matter with them.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Last but not least, as I just had phone call
                      with my lawyer,  making an criminal
                      charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish
                      our private income data in the public space
                      without supporting evidence are very serious
                      offense under european law, although my lawyer
                      strongly suggest him to write the letter, I
                      insists my self to write here just because I would
                      appreciate member's understanding and community's
                      support.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Let me know if you still have more questions.</div>
                    <div><br>
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                    <div> </div>
                    <div><br>
                      Kind regards
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Lu</div>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                      On 2013-11-21, at 上午11:05, William Weber <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:ripe-members-discussion@edisglobal.com">ripe-members-discussion@edisglobal.com</a>>
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                      As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be
                      ignored and no one needs to reply to me i make
                      this public now as threatened to them before - See
                      Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you
                      don't reply me with anything useful then i take
                      steps to get others involved.
                      <div>This is not the first time i reported a LIR
                        for evaluation and was ignored.<br>
                        <div><br>
                          <div>I waited over a month for any reply and
                            sent multiple follow up mails, no replies
                            and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal,
                            now the last reply i got was again useless
                            and without any interest (No Andrew, i
                            cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to
                            report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter
                            that there.)</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Theres some more fun to be had, here's a
                            text i prepared before i sent my mail to
                            RIPE after some investigations (which merely
                            took 10 minutes time and a few calls to some
                            associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough
                            for an evaluation?</div>
                          <div>I think so and the other LIRs i represent
                            do as well, but make your own picture.</div>
                          <div><br>
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                          <div>--</div>
                          <div>
                            <div>Today we follow an interesting 'ISP'
                              which is based on a sole-trader in the
                              Netherlands which managed to have
                              RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space
                              totaling to a /8:</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>His name is Heng Lu, also known as
                              "OutsideHeaven" - <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://outsideheaven.com/">http://outsideheaven.com</a></div>
                            <div>Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu
                              is of Chinese origin and does (as far as
                              informations go) not live in Europe at
                              all.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>First being a customer of OVH and
                              having his IP space announced on OVHs AS
                              now most space seems to be announced by
                              Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916).</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>A short view on the website shows that
                              no real services are provided yet massive
                              amounts of IPs are registered to him
                              personally, him as sole trader or his
                              companies at all RIRs:</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a
                              company in the Seychelles ("Abacus
                              (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle
                              and mail shows the connection to
                              OutsideHeaven.</div>
                            <div>The network itself contains smaller
                              assignments, all with the descr of
                              "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and
                              various countries set (AD, SD, YT….), most
                              IPs are not announced at all and seem
                              unused.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced
                              by Multacom in LAX outside of the RIPE
                              region.</div>
                            <div>Seems unused.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3
                              months after the /15 was allocated,
                              exactly the timeframe RIPE required a
                              space to be used in to get a new one…),
                              announced on OVH.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04
                              (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced by OVH
                              on France, unused as well.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a
                              datacenter in the Netherlands, unused.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>List (not complete, there is more
                              smaller assignments on him):</div>
                            <div>154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs</div>
                            <div>185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs    -
                              2012.09</div>
                            <div>5.224.0.0/15  - RIPE - 131.070 IPs -
                              2012.09</div>
                            <div>5.132.0.0/16  - RIPE - 65.534 IPs  -
                              2012.07</div>
                            <div>37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs -
                              2012.04</div>
                            <div>31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs  -
                              2011.04</div>
                            <div>46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs  -
                              2010.11</div>
                            <div>178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs -
                              2010.06</div>
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                                        <div>William Weber | RIPE
                                          Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh
                                          (among others)</div>
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                                        <div>EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC</div>
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                                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:william@edis.at">william@edis.at</a>><br>
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                                      NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a
                                      LIR</b><br>
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                                    2013 13:18:36 MESZ<br>
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                                    Haye <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                  ">Dear Andrew,
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                                  </div>
                                  <div>And who verified that these 2
                                    analysts were not bribed... i know
                                    guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC
                                    officials (in fact, the same LIR as
                                    this mail is about "bought" space
                                    there also, 154.80.0.0/12)  and this
                                    isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC
                                    either, so what tells me RIPE
                                    did/does not do the same...</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Sorry, but this is not really any
                                    better now:</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>This guy "accidentally" sits in
                                    Amsterdam as well, not even far from
                                    you, being Chinese(!) with barely
                                    3000EUR income reports filled
                                    2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his
                                    BVs and his sole trader status and
                                    has one of the largest total</div>
                                  <div>allocations in the entire RIPE
                                    region? </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE*
                                    /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles
                                    while i and others got contacted by
                                    RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN
                                    ASN? </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Why do his assignments make no
                                    sense, look auto generated and never
                                    contain any end-user data? Why was
                                    this not verified at add-alloc?</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>How does he use over a million
                                    IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his
                                    upstream provider? </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>This all is still very fishy and
                                    not really impressive...</div>
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                                              regards,<br>
                                              William Weber<br>
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                                      <div>Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55
                                        schrieb Andrew de la Haye <<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:andrew@ripe.net">andrew@ripe.net</a>>:</div>
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                                      <blockquote type="cite">Dear
                                        William, <br>
                                        <br>
                                        We take your allegations very
                                        seriously. As such, your ticket
                                        has been escalated to me by
                                        Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE
                                        NCC's Registration Services
                                        Department. <br>
                                        <br>
                                        Before the RIPE NCC reached the
                                        last /8 of IPv4 address space,
                                        we implemented a temporarily
                                        enhanced allocation procedure to
                                        ensure a fair, neutral and
                                        well-documented IPv4 run-out.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        This procedure was communicated
                                        to our membership and community
                                        at meetings, via the Address
                                        Policy Working Group Mailing
                                        List, and via our website. You
                                        can find the complete
                                        description at: <br>
                                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf">https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf</a><br>
                                        <br>
                                        Measures were taken to ensure
                                        our members' needs were filled
                                        on a first-come, first-served
                                        basis, and to ensure that we
                                        followed due diligence. Each
                                        request was evaluated by two IP
                                        Resource Analysts. Furthermore,
                                        all large requests (/15 PA or
                                        /18 PI or more) were rigorously
                                        evaluated by Registration
                                        Services Management, checked for
                                        policy compliance by our Policy
                                        Development Officer, and were
                                        finally approved by two RIPE NCC
                                        Senior Managers. <br>
                                        <br>
                                        The IPv4 requests you have
                                        listed followed this process
                                        completely and, based on the
                                        information we received, were
                                        entirely justified. <br>
                                        <br>
                                        If you have any further
                                        questions, please feel free to
                                        contact me. <br>
                                        <br>
                                        Kind regards <br>
                                        <br>
                                        Andrew de la Haye<br>
                                        Chief Operations Officer<br>
                                        RIPE NCC <br>
                                        <br>
                                        Singel 258<br>
                                        1016 AB  Amsterdam<br>
                                        the Netherlands<br>
                                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:andrew@ripe.net">andrew@ripe.net</a>
                                        <br>
                                        tel:  +31 20 535 4444<br>
                                        fax: +31 20 535 4445</blockquote>
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                              <div>Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE
                                NCC Hostmaster <<a
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                                  href="mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net">hostmaster@ripe.net</a>>:</div>
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                                Dear William,<br>
                                <br>
                                As requested I have escalated your
                                complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior<br>
                                Management.<br>
                                <br>
                                They will come back to you ASAP.<br>
                                <br>
                                Best regards,<br>
                                Andrea Cima<br>
                                <br>
                                RIPE NCC<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200,
                                William Weber wrote:<br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">Dear Andrea,<br>
                                  <br>
                                  So if there is no proof for a bribe
                                  you do as it does not exist at all?<br>
                                  Why did no one tell me this before, i
                                  would have come with a suitcase of
                                  cash to AMS... Seriously, this
                                  statement is worse than what 3rd world
                                  dictators state all the time about
                                  bribery...<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Considering that RIPE members have no
                                  access to other RIPE members add-alloc
                                  (or any other) forms it is also
                                  entirely *impossible* to prove lies in
                                  them (hey, how should i do that if i
                                  can't read them at all?) - Thus it
                                  clearly is your obligation to verify
                                  this claims OR provide the accuser
                                  with access to a system to verify it
                                  himself.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  It is by itself alone VERY suspicious
                                  that the single largest allocation for
                                  weeks is allocated 8 days before the
                                  last /8 is reached to an unknown sole
                                  trader without any business.... yes, i
                                  think i have enough 'proof' to get
                                  this verified by the RIPE, please
                                  escalate it to whoever you think is
                                  appropriate or i will do so myself
                                  today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing
                                  list to ALL members.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best
                                  regards,<br>
                                  William Weber<br>
                                  <br>
                                  --<br>
                                  EDIS GmbH<br>
                                  NOC<br>
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                                  <br>
                                  Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE
                                  NCC Hostmaster <<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net">hostmaster@ripe.net</a>>:<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                                    Dear William,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    All allocations are issued based on
                                    RIPE policy and documentation that<br>
                                    demonstrates the need for those
                                    resources. The information provided
                                    by<br>
                                    members is confidential and cannot
                                    be shared with other members. <br>
                                    <br>
                                    If you have proof that a member has
                                    provided false information to the<br>
                                    RIPE NCC, please provide us this
                                    proof. Based on this we can then<br>
                                    start evaluating the claims and take
                                    appropriate actions. The same<br>
                                    counts for your accusation of a RIPE
                                    NCC emloyee having received a<br>
                                    bribe, which is a very serious
                                    accusation, that we do not take<br>
                                    lightly.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Finally it seems there is a
                                    misunderstanding about the date on
                                    which<br>
                                    the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8
                                    policy. The correct date is 14<br>
                                    September 2012. Please find the
                                    official announcement at:<br>
                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html">http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html</a><br>
                                    <br>
                                    Kind regards,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Andrea Cima<br>
                                    Registration Services Manager<br>
                                    RIPE NCC<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200,
                                    William Weber wrote:<br>
                                    <blockquote type="cite">x-ncc-regid:
                                      at.edisgmbh (and
                                      at.<removed>, li.<removed>, li.<removed>,
                                      plus representing <removed>
                                      and <removed>)</blockquote>
                                  </blockquote>
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                                    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                                      <br>
                                      Yes, i have to complain again to
                                      evaluate someone....<br>
                                      <br>
                                      LIR is nl.outsideheaven<br>
                                      <br>
                                      I am 100% sure that the allocation
                                      of his netblocks have either used
                                      false data in the add-alloc forms,
                                      plain lies or bribes (which i see
                                      as the most likely) - His company
                                      has no trading activity in any
                                      country (verified with Dutch and
                                      Chinese tax authorities) and
                                      nothing that would justify the
                                      usage of this amounts of IPv4
                                      space.<br>
                                      His usage of some of them also
                                      violates RIPE rules, most are for
                                      example not even announced inside
                                      the RIPE region but originate from
                                      AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles,
                                      USA) solely.<br>
                                      The assignments while RIPE already
                                      reached the last /8 are very
                                      questionable as well and
                                      overturning a members and board
                                      decision.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs
                                         - 2012.09<br>
                                      -> Announced in the ARIN region
                                      entirely, not RIPE<br>
                                      <br>
                                      5.224.0.0/15  - RIPE - 131.070 IPs
                                      - 2012.09<br>
                                      -> Announced in the ARIN region
                                      entirely, not RIPE<br>
                                      -> How was he able to obtain a
                                      /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached
                                      the last /8?<br>
                                      <br>
                                      5.132.0.0/16  - RIPE - 65.534 IPs
                                       - 2012.07<br>
                                      -> Announced in the ARIN region
                                      entirely, not RIPE<br>
                                      -> How was he able to obtain a
                                      /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached
                                      the last /8?<br>
                                      <br>
                                      37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs
                                      - 2012.04<br>
                                      -> How was he able to obtain a
                                      /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the
                                      last /8?<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs
                                       - 2011.04<br>
                                      -> Announced in the ARIN region
                                      entirely, not RIPE<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best
                                      regards,<br>
                                      William Weber<br>
                                      <br>
                                      --<br>
                                      EDIS GmbH<br>
                                      NOC<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
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