<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I also want to strongly note that Lu started with talks about suing me - I just replied him why it makes no sense and he can save his money.<div>I didn't start this argument and was *mainly* (yes, i wrote in very strong language to RIPE and accused Lu of many things which might be true or not, time will tell) on-business.<div><br></div><div>Also don't get me wrong, Lu is not *not* the only one on my list, just the newest and largest one.</div><div>I will report them to RIPE one-by-one until i am done and do not care for even a single second what you all think about this (i can report LIRs all i want, and i INSIST that 2 /15 in the ARIN region *ARE* a reason to request an audit), but RIPE did not provide me with *any* way to report a LIR for audit - And this is my main issue with them (for now).</div><div><br></div><div>All i always wanted, and still want is a confirmation of RIPE that this LIR will be audited - Then i am happy, i have *some* trust left in the RIPE/NCC and cannot change the working policy (at least not now) anyway.</div><div><br><div>
<div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>--</div><div>William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh</div><div><a href="mailto:william@edisglobal.com">william@edisglobal.com</a> | <a href="mailto:william@edis.at">william@edis.at</a> | <a href="http://edis.at/">http://edis.at</a> | <a href="http://as57169.net/">http://as57169.net</a></div><div>EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC</div><div>Graz, Austria</div><div><br></div></div></span></span></div></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>Am 21.11.2013 um 19:02 schrieb Sourish <<a href="mailto:sourish.ganguly@bssteleport.com">sourish.ganguly@bssteleport.com</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
  
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                              I do understand your concern and
      appreciate that if you can take directly with RIPE NCC, instead of
      its members. <br>
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      You have all the rights to ask for clear allocation, but probably
      your forum is wrong. Because no members are part of allocation in
      the RIPE. <br>
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      Thanks for understanding <br>
      <br>
      With Regards <br>
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      Sourish <br>
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      <br>
      On 11/21/2013 06:47 PM, William Weber wrote:<br>
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      I have no issue at all with Lu or his company - I have no issue
      with ISPs having a /8 either, if the justification is valid.
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      <div>I have an issue with allocations and assignments that seem to
        be incorrect/wrong and that there is no way to verify possible
        misusage that can only be verified by a single party (=RIPE),
        don't forget: i TRIED to work this out with RIPE.</div>
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      <div>If the allocations are valid (and we see the proof for this)
        then i let him go, that's all i want - Currently we get nothing
        from RIPE (not even a confirmation that they *will* audit, that
        is *ALL* i wanted. Nothing more.).</div>
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          <div dir="auto">Giving all the information with possible
            unlawful activity you might involved with(the reason
            government would investigate about you), I am very
            doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really
            involvement with us. And why you need to run away from
            Europe.</div>
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        6, now sit down and Google what Tor is and what a Tor exit does
        and how it helps the global community and in SPECIAL also the <b>Chinese
          users</b>.</div>
      <div>Why i "run"? (Trust me, if i wanted to run i'd be far gone in
        Africa by now.) Because the EU is a joke (and my political views
        are mine, you have no right to ask) and as Jew i have the right
        to migrate to Israel at any time, so this is the way of least
        resistance.</div>
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          <div dir="auto">Last but not least, if you are not speaking
            for EDIS, and if your company are not yet a Ripe member, I
            think it is inappreicate for you to post in this list, as it
            is only for members.</div>
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        I could post under my LIR or another one, why would that matter
        to you? I could've also posted it in a forum outside of RIPE,
        and that out of pure generosity so that RIPE can do this
        internal.</div>
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          <div dir="auto">Thanks for the support. I also wonder where
            this guy is coming from and what really is his problem with
            our business, as we really has nothing to do with him at
            all. and I personally has been actively involved in the Ripe
            policy working group for many years, we would seriously obey
            every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing wrong
            as playing the game fairly.</div>
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      <div dir="auto">What i have to do with you? I see you announce 2
        (TWO!!) RIPE /15 in the ARIN region so i report you to RIPE and
        escalate after ignoring, i see this as fully legitimate and as
        right for any RIPE member and non RIPEmember to report policy
        violating usage as obviously recommended by RIPE also. While
        doing this i obviously also check the background and report what
        i have to RIPE so they have more starting points for an
        investigation/audit.</div>
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                    <div>--</div>
                    <div>William Weber</div>
                    <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:william@edisglobal.com">william@edisglobal.com</a> | <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:william@edis.at">william@edis.at</a> | <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://edis.at/">http://edis.at</a> | <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://as57169.net/">http://as57169.net</a></div>
                    <div>EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC</div>
                    <div>Graz, Austria</div>
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          <div>Am 21.11.2013 um 17:52 schrieb H.Lu <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a>>:</div>
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              <div>Hi</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>For information:</div>
              <div>Just to be clear to every member, nor my company or
                me personally receive any message William has sent to us
                before, the only message I have read from william was on
                14th Feb,2012, he replied my treads regarding member
                fees in the member mailing list.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>And as I state in the last Email, I am at RIPE,
                AFRINIC,LACNIC,ICANN,IGF,and many other internet
                meetings, so I am not a guy not reachable, you can
                easily attend any of the meetings and talk to me in a
                coffee break. I believe many active members in the list
                can proof that for me. You might not remember my name, I
                am the big Chinese guy always being around in every Ripe
                meeting---and most time the only Chinese there as well.
                So if someone wants to talk to me, really don't need to
                go that far all the way to China to finds me, I live in
                the Europe, and I have been told I am more european
                thinking than Chinese by many people:)</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>For William:</div>
              <div>Giving all the information with possible unlawful
                activity you might involved with(the reason government
                would investigate about you), I am very doubtfully
                wonder your profession and what is your really
                involvement with us. And why you need to run away from
                Europe.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Both <span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                  rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969);
                  -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227,
                  0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77,
                  128, 180, 0.230469); ">Slovenia/Austria are subject to
                  European Law, and as my very limited knowledge about
                  it, it is  unlawful to obtain third party private
                  financial information without court permission--even
                  for any countries' government. I believe any level of
                  LIR audit shouldn't involved illegal information or
                  research about private company or private person's
                  confidential information. This is way too far beyond
                  simple Ripe's policy. I would appreciate fellow
                  members does not support such unlawful investigation
                  going on as if let it goes on, every of us might one
                  day being disclose your private company data and your
                  personal financial information just because other
                  people think you have a bit bigger IP range than him.</span></div>
              <div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26,
                  26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color:
                  rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
                  -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180,
                  0.230469); "><br>
                </span></div>
              <div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26,
                  26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color:
                  rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
                  -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180,
                  0.230469); ">Last but not least, if you are not
                  speaking for EDIS, and if your company are not yet a
                  Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for you to
                  post in this list, as it is only for members. But you
                  still can post on the policy mailing list, and we are
                  very happy to hear what policy experts has to say
                  about our activity, although we are very carefully
                  read though every policy and make sure our activity
                  does not conflicts with Ripe policy, due to the scale
                  of our operation, we might miss one or two things, and
                  if it has been pointed out, we are very happy to
                  correct it.</span></div>
              <div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26,
                  26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color:
                  rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
                  -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180,
                  0.230469); "><br>
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              <div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26,
                  26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color:
                  rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
                  -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180,
                  0.230469); ">For Christian:</span></div>
              <div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26,
                  26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color:
                  rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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                  0.230469); "><br>
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              <div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26,
                  26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color:
                  rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
                  -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180,
                  0.230469); ">Thanks for the support. I also wonder
                  where this guy is coming from and what really is his
                  problem with our business, as we really has nothing to
                  do with him at all. and I personally has been actively
                  involved in the Ripe policy working group for many
                  years, we would seriously obey every Ripe policy, and
                  end of the day, I see nothing wrong as playing the
                  game fairly.</span></div>
              <div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26,
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              <div><br>
                Kind regards
                <div><br>
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                <div>Lu</div>
              </div>
              <div><br>
                On 2013-11-21, at 下午1:12, William Weber <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ripe-members-discussion@edisglobal.com">ripe-members-discussion@edisglobal.com</a>>
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                <div>So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr.
                  Lu, why were my previous contact tries ignored? 
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                  <div>I was in fact <b>AT YOUR ADDRESS</b> in Holland
                    in 2012, nobody there - I would have someone sent to
                    your address in China also, but that one is unclear
                    described.</div>
                  <div><br>
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                  <div>
                    <div>>I wondering where you have the inaccurate
                      income data about me personally and my  private
                      company as well</div>
                    <div>I do not need to share any sources (what is
                      this, the PLA?), all data was obtained legally in
                      my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria - I
                      can not vouch for correctness but in the past it
                      was usually near the expected.</div>
                    <div>Not like your data is secret in the
                      Netherlands.</div>
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                      <div dir="auto">making an criminal
                        charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate
                        publish our private income data in the public
                        space without supporting evidence are very
                        serious offense under european law, although my
                        lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter,
                        I insists my self to write here just because I
                        would appreciate member's understanding and
                        community's support.</div>
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                      <div dir="auto"><br>
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                    <div>
                      <div>I'm not sure what gives you the idea that
                        Dutch law would be applicable to me in
                        Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that
                        Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot
                        extradict citizens)?</div>
                      <div><br>
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                      <div>The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is
                        fully legal to make, even the implication of it
                        would be - The RIPE ticket system is also not
                        the public and neither is the mailing list, it
                        is a closed system.</div>
                    </div>
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                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>You can sue me all you want, i have not much to
                    loose currently, and once cleared move to Israel
                    which does neither extradict nor care much about
                    Europe.</div>
                  <div>The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012
                    and 2013, the Austrian police investigates my
                    financial transactions, the Polish police wants to
                    see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong
                    authorities are not amused, my phones and internet
                    is taped, i am being followed by the Austrian
                    police.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an
                    image, you (and no one else) can threaten me with
                    "law" anymore.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>I will reply more lenghty later, because even
                    though the Austrian government does not like me they
                    still send me invitations to broadband expansion
                    forums and force me to attend and speak.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY
                    violate RIPE policies with the ARIN routing and
                    others - So *you* are the one that should explain
                    himself, not me.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>This is also a  note: <b>The statements here are
                      fully personal or statements of my own companies,
                      not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR i
                      represent.</b></div>
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                            <div>William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR:</div>
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                  <div>Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a>>:</div>
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                      <div>Hi</div>
                      <div><br>
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                      <div>We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry
                        for mistyping English.</div>
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                      <div>we followed all the process in the Ripe
                        region, and I personally involved and
                        participated in the Ripe policy development
                        process,<br>
                        <br>
                        To inasset network:</div>
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                        I wonder how you as single organization define
                        "best interest of ripe member" and justifying
                        other member's IP usage?<br>
                        Kind regards
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Lu</div>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                        On 2013-11-21, at 下午12:26, "Administration - [
                        inAsset Networks ]" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:admin@inasset.es">admin@inasset.es</a>>
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                        <div>Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities
                          closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in
                          the event the use of your assigned space is
                          not in the best interest of its members.</div>
                        <div><br>
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                        <div>For now, we would like to know why you are
                          announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN.</div>
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                          <div>El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a>>
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                              <div>Hi:</div>
                              <div><br>
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                              <div>What a surprise morning.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>I think it was talking about me and
                                my company.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>To clarify few things, the
                                justification process of our application
                                took very long in ripe NCC and I believe
                                ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in
                                the major service we provided at the
                                time of it being justified. and
                                corruption claim are very much
                                inappreicate and I would ask you
                                apologizes to Ripe NCC.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Me as individual as been actively
                                involved in the ripe community in past 5
                                years, and I believe most active member
                                in the list knowing me personally.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>I wondering where you have the
                                inaccurate income data about me
                                personally and my  private company as
                                well. as it can not be obtain legally
                                and the data was not correct. I
                                personally owing quite few companies
                                worldwide but they are all private
                                companies I do not feel the need to
                                share our financial details publicly.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Most part of our business are
                                confidential so sorry we can not provide
                                more details here, like every request,
                                Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to
                                make the right decision at the time of
                                application. That is how business really
                                works, only Ripe NCC has rights to
                                getting into confidential area of
                                member's business, otherwise I believe
                                every member would have to publish </div>
                              <div> every detail about their business to
                                the public.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>And I would ask if you do have more
                                questions for me,  as long as it is not
                                confidential, I'd like to share my
                                stories with you. Please do not bother
                                Ripe NCC for this matter any more.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>At this point, Ripe NCC are just a
                                book keeper for its members and Ripe
                                community, they are not police force, if
                                you do feel we have some unlawful
                                practice--thought I seriously doubt
                                about it, please contact related law
                                enforcement and we are very happy to
                                assist in the matter with them.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Last but not least, as I just had
                                phone call with my lawyer,  making an
                                criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC,
                                inaccurate publish our private income
                                data in the public space without
                                supporting evidence are very serious
                                offense under european law, although my
                                lawyer strongly suggest him to write the
                                letter, I insists my self to write here
                                just because I would appreciate member's
                                understanding and community's support.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Let me know if you still have more
                                questions.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div><br>
                                Kind regards
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Lu</div>
                              </div>
                              <div><br>
                                On 2013-11-21, at 上午11:05, William Weber
                                <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ripe-members-discussion@edisglobal.com">ripe-members-discussion@edisglobal.com</a>>
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                                As RIPE seems to have decided that i can
                                be ignored and no one needs to reply to
                                me i make this public now as threatened
                                to them before - See Dear Andrew, i
                                don't care what you say - if you don't
                                reply me with anything useful then i
                                take steps to get others involved.
                                <div>This is not the first time i
                                  reported a LIR for evaluation and was
                                  ignored.<br>
                                  <div><br>
                                    <div>I waited over a month for any
                                      reply and sent multiple follow up
                                      mails, no replies and the ticket
                                      is "open" in the Lirportal, now
                                      the last reply i got was again
                                      useless and without any interest
                                      (No Andrew, i cannot use the
                                      LIR<>LIR report form to
                                      report LIR<>RIPE, i can't
                                      even enter that there.)</div>
                                    <div><br>
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                                    <div>Theres some more fun to be had,
                                      here's a text i prepared before i
                                      sent my mail to RIPE after some
                                      investigations (which merely took
                                      10 minutes time and a few calls to
                                      some associates) - Now, isn't that
                                      proof enough for an evaluation?</div>
                                    <div>I think so and the other LIRs i
                                      represent do as well, but make
                                      your own picture.</div>
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                                    <div>--</div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>Today we follow an
                                        interesting 'ISP' which is based
                                        on a sole-trader in the
                                        Netherlands which managed to
                                        have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign
                                        him IPv4 space totaling to a /8:</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>His name is Heng Lu, also
                                        known as "OutsideHeaven" - <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://outsideheaven.com/">http://outsideheaven.com</a></div>
                                      <div>Seemingly based in the
                                        Netherlands Lu is of Chinese
                                        origin and does (as far as
                                        informations go) not live in
                                        Europe at all.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>First being a customer of OVH
                                        and having his IP space
                                        announced on OVHs AS now most
                                        space seems to be announced by
                                        Los Angeles based ISP Multacom
                                        (AS35916).</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>A short view on the website
                                        shows that no real services are
                                        provided yet massive amounts of
                                        IPs are registered to him
                                        personally, him as sole trader
                                        or his companies at all RIRs:</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic -
                                        1.048.574 IPs</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>This is an AFRINIC net
                                        assigned to a company in the
                                        Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles)
                                        Limited"), the Person handle and
                                        mail shows the connection to
                                        OutsideHeaven.</div>
                                      <div>The network itself contains
                                        smaller assignments, all with
                                        the descr of "CloudInnovation
                                        infrastructure" and various
                                        countries set (AD, SD, YT….),
                                        most IPs are not announced at
                                        all and seem unused.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070
                                        IPs</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>A RIPE network from 2012.09
                                        announced by Multacom in LAX
                                        outside of the RIPE region.</div>
                                      <div>Seems unused.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000
                                        IPs</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>RIPE network dating to
                                        2012.07 (Just 3 months after the
                                        /15 was allocated, exactly the
                                        timeframe RIPE required a space
                                        to be used in to get a new
                                        one…), announced on OVH.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE -
                                        131.070 IPs</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Yet another RIPE network from
                                        2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?)
                                        announced by OVH on France,
                                        unused as well.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000
                                        IPs</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Allocated 2010.11 - Announced
                                        by a datacenter in the
                                        Netherlands, unused.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000
                                        IPs</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>2011.04 - Announced in
                                        LAX/Multacom.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>List (not complete, there is
                                        more smaller assignments on
                                        him):</div>
                                      <div>154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic -
                                        1.048.574 IPs</div>
                                      <div>185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024
                                        IPs    - 2012.09</div>
                                      <div>5.224.0.0/15  - RIPE -
                                        131.070 IPs - 2012.09</div>
                                      <div>5.132.0.0/16  - RIPE - 65.534
                                        IPs  - 2012.07</div>
                                      <div>37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE -
                                        131.070 IPs - 2012.04</div>
                                      <div>31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534
                                        IPs  - 2011.04</div>
                                      <div>46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534
                                        IPs  - 2010.11</div>
                                      <div>178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE -
                                        4096 IPs - 2010.06</div>
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                                                  <div>William Weber
                                                    | RIPE Person: WW
                                                    | LIR: at.edisgmbh
                                                    (among others)</div>
                                                  <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:william@edisglobal.com">william@edisglobal.com</a> | <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:william@william.si">william@william.si</a> | <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://edis.at/">http://edis.at</a> | <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://as57169.net/">http://as57169.net</a></div>
                                                  <div>EDIS GmbH
                                                    (AS57169) NOC</div>
                                                  <div>Maribor, Slovenia</div>
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                                        <div>Anfang der weitergeleiteten
                                          Nachricht:</div>
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                                              <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:william@edis.at">william@edis.at</a>><br>
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                                                NCC#2013100726 Complaint
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                                              13:18:36 MESZ<br>
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                                              Haye <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:andrew@ripe.net">andrew@ripe.net</a>><br>
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                                            <div>And who verified that
                                              these 2 analysts were not
                                              bribed... i know guys
                                              buying /12s by bribing
                                              AFRINIC officials (in
                                              fact, the same LIR as this
                                              mail is about "bought"
                                              space there also,
                                              154.80.0.0/12)  and this
                                              isn't unheard in
                                              LACNIC/APNIC either, so
                                              what tells me RIPE
                                              did/does not do the
                                              same...</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Sorry, but this is not
                                              really any better now:</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>This guy "accidentally"
                                              sits in Amsterdam as well,
                                              not even far from you,
                                              being Chinese(!) with
                                              barely 3000EUR income
                                              reports filled 2012/2013
                                              in the Netherlands for his
                                              BVs and his sole trader
                                              status and has one of the
                                              largest total</div>
                                            <div>allocations in the
                                              entire RIPE region? </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>How can he announce
                                              2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an
                                              ARIN ASN in Los Angeles
                                              while i and others got
                                              contacted by RIPE about a
                                              measly /24 on an ARIN
                                              ASN? </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Why do his assignments
                                              make no sense, look auto
                                              generated and never
                                              contain any end-user data?
                                              Why was this not verified
                                              at add-alloc?</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>How does he use over a
                                              million IPs on a 100Mbit
                                              uplink to his upstream
                                              provider? </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>This all is still very
                                              fishy and not really
                                              impressive...</div>
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                                                <div>Am 08.10.2013 um
                                                  11:55 schrieb Andrew
                                                  de la Haye <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:andrew@ripe.net">andrew@ripe.net</a>>:</div>
                                                <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
                                                <blockquote type="cite">Dear
                                                  William, <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  We take your
                                                  allegations very
                                                  seriously. As such,
                                                  your ticket has been
                                                  escalated to me by
                                                  Andrea Cima, manager
                                                  of the RIPE NCC's
                                                  Registration Services
                                                  Department. <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Before the RIPE NCC
                                                  reached the last /8 of
                                                  IPv4 address space, we
                                                  implemented a
                                                  temporarily enhanced
                                                  allocation procedure
                                                  to ensure a fair,
                                                  neutral and
                                                  well-documented IPv4
                                                  run-out.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  This procedure was
                                                  communicated to our
                                                  membership and
                                                  community at meetings,
                                                  via the Address Policy
                                                  Working Group Mailing
                                                  List, and via our
                                                  website. You can find
                                                  the complete
                                                  description at: <br>
                                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf">https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf</a><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Measures were taken to
                                                  ensure our members'
                                                  needs were filled on a
                                                  first-come,
                                                  first-served basis,
                                                  and to ensure that we
                                                  followed due
                                                  diligence. Each
                                                  request was evaluated
                                                  by two IP Resource
                                                  Analysts. Furthermore,
                                                  all large requests
                                                  (/15 PA or /18 PI or
                                                  more) were rigorously
                                                  evaluated by
                                                  Registration Services
                                                  Management, checked
                                                  for policy compliance
                                                  by our Policy
                                                  Development Officer,
                                                  and were finally
                                                  approved by two RIPE
                                                  NCC Senior Managers. <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  The IPv4 requests you
                                                  have listed followed
                                                  this process
                                                  completely and, based
                                                  on the information we
                                                  received, were
                                                  entirely justified. <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  If you have any
                                                  further questions,
                                                  please feel free to
                                                  contact me. <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Kind regards <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Andrew de la Haye<br>
                                                  Chief Operations
                                                  Officer<br>
                                                  RIPE NCC <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Singel 258<br>
                                                  1016 AB  Amsterdam<br>
                                                  the Netherlands<br>
                                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:andrew@ripe.net">andrew@ripe.net</a> <br>
                                                  tel:  +31 20 535 4444<br>
                                                  fax: +31 20 535 4445</blockquote>
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                                        <div>Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29
                                          schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster
                                          <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net">hostmaster@ripe.net</a>>:</div>
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                                          Dear William,<br>
                                          <br>
                                          As requested I have escalated
                                          your complaint to the RIPE NCC
                                          Senior<br>
                                          Management.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          They will come back to you
                                          ASAP.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Best regards,<br>
                                          Andrea Cima<br>
                                          <br>
                                          RIPE NCC<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37
                                          +0200, William Weber wrote:<br>
                                          <blockquote type="cite">Dear
                                            Andrea,<br>
                                            <br>
                                            So if there is no proof for
                                            a bribe you do as it does
                                            not exist at all?<br>
                                            Why did no one tell me this
                                            before, i would have come
                                            with a suitcase of cash to
                                            AMS... Seriously, this
                                            statement is worse than what
                                            3rd world dictators state
                                            all the time about
                                            bribery...<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Considering that RIPE
                                            members have no access to
                                            other RIPE members add-alloc
                                            (or any other) forms it is
                                            also entirely *impossible*
                                            to prove lies in them (hey,
                                            how should i do that if i
                                            can't read them at all?) -
                                            Thus it clearly is your
                                            obligation to verify this
                                            claims OR provide the
                                            accuser with access to a
                                            system to verify it himself.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            It is by itself alone VERY
                                            suspicious that the single
                                            largest allocation for weeks
                                            is allocated 8 days before
                                            the last /8 is reached to an
                                            unknown sole trader without
                                            any business.... yes, i
                                            think i have enough 'proof'
                                            to get this verified by the
                                            RIPE, please escalate it to
                                            whoever you think is
                                            appropriate or i will do so
                                            myself today at 00:00 via
                                            the RIPE mailing list to ALL
                                            members.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Mit freundlichen Grüßen /
                                            Best regards,<br>
                                            William Weber<br>
                                            <br>
                                            --<br>
                                            EDIS GmbH<br>
                                            NOC<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52
                                            schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster
                                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net">hostmaster@ripe.net</a>>:<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                                              Dear William,<br>
                                              <br>
                                              All allocations are issued
                                              based on RIPE policy and
                                              documentation that<br>
                                              demonstrates the need for
                                              those resources. The
                                              information provided by<br>
                                              members is confidential
                                              and cannot be shared with
                                              other members. <br>
                                              <br>
                                              If you have proof that a
                                              member has provided false
                                              information to the<br>
                                              RIPE NCC, please provide
                                              us this proof. Based on
                                              this we can then<br>
                                              start evaluating the
                                              claims and take
                                              appropriate actions. The
                                              same<br>
                                              counts for your accusation
                                              of a RIPE NCC emloyee
                                              having received a<br>
                                              bribe, which is a very
                                              serious accusation, that
                                              we do not take<br>
                                              lightly.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Finally it seems there is
                                              a misunderstanding about
                                              the date on which<br>
                                              the RIPE NCC has reached
                                              its last /8 policy. The
                                              correct date is 14<br>
                                              September 2012. Please
                                              find the official
                                              announcement at:<br>
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html">http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html</a><br>
                                              <br>
                                              Kind regards,<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Andrea Cima<br>
                                              Registration Services
                                              Manager<br>
                                              RIPE NCC<br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              On Thu, 3 Oct 2013
                                              13:49:32 +0200, William
                                              Weber wrote:<br>
                                              <blockquote type="cite">x-ncc-regid:
                                                at.edisgmbh (and
                                                at.<removed>, li.<removed>, li.<removed>,
                                                plus representing
                                                <removed> and
                                                <removed>)</blockquote>
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                                        <blockquote type="cite">
                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                                                <br>
                                                Yes, i have to complain
                                                again to evaluate
                                                someone....<br>
                                                <br>
                                                LIR is nl.outsideheaven<br>
                                                <br>
                                                I am 100% sure that the
                                                allocation of his
                                                netblocks have either
                                                used false data in the
                                                add-alloc forms, plain
                                                lies or bribes (which i
                                                see as the most likely)
                                                - His company has no
                                                trading activity in any
                                                country (verified with
                                                Dutch and Chinese tax
                                                authorities) and nothing
                                                that would justify the
                                                usage of this amounts of
                                                IPv4 space.<br>
                                                His usage of some of
                                                them also violates RIPE
                                                rules, most are for
                                                example not even
                                                announced inside the
                                                RIPE region but
                                                originate from AS35916
                                                (Multacom in Los
                                                Angeles, USA) solely.<br>
                                                The assignments while
                                                RIPE already reached the
                                                last /8 are very
                                                questionable as well and
                                                overturning a members
                                                and board decision.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE -
                                                1024 IPs    - 2012.09<br>
                                                -> Announced in the
                                                ARIN region entirely,
                                                not RIPE<br>
                                                <br>
                                                5.224.0.0/15  - RIPE -
                                                131.070 IPs - 2012.09<br>
                                                -> Announced in the
                                                ARIN region entirely,
                                                not RIPE<br>
                                                -> How was he able to
                                                obtain a /15 5 months
                                                AFTER RIPE reached the
                                                last /8?<br>
                                                <br>
                                                5.132.0.0/16  - RIPE -
                                                65.534 IPs  - 2012.07<br>
                                                -> Announced in the
                                                ARIN region entirely,
                                                not RIPE<br>
                                                -> How was he able to
                                                obtain a /16 3 months
                                                AFTER RIPE reached the
                                                last /8?<br>
                                                <br>
                                                37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE -
                                                131.070 IPs - 2012.04<br>
                                                -> How was he able to
                                                obtain a /15 1 month
                                                AFTER RIPE reached the
                                                last /8?<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
                                                31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE -
                                                65.534 IPs  - 2011.04<br>
                                                -> Announced in the
                                                ARIN region entirely,
                                                not RIPE<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
                                                Mit freundlichen Grüßen
                                                / Best regards,<br>
                                                William Weber<br>
                                                <br>
                                                --<br>
                                                EDIS GmbH<br>
                                                NOC<br>
                                                <br>
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If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view</a>

Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.</pre>
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