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The RIPE FAQ [1] states that �Any legal entity or natural person can
become a member of RIPE NCC,� and that �official registration papers
are the trade register documents that prove your company is a
registered legal entity, authorised to carry out business activities
in your country.� The Black�s Law Dictionary (2nd Ed.) defines a
Legal Entity as �A lawful or legally standing association,
corporation, partnership, proprietorship, trust, or individual. Has
legal capacity to (1) enter into agreements or contracts, (2) assume
obligations, (3) incur and pay debts, (4) sue and be sued in its own
right, and (5) to be accountable for illegal activities.� It is
reasonable to assume that those capacities are enabled by the
Government, in particular via registration of a Legal Entity within
the corresponding institution of the said Government. Which
Government exactly a Legal Entity should be registered by, then? I
think it is reasonable to assume that the locality of the Government
should be defined by the Boundaries of the administrative area (a
country, for example) where the Legal Entity is registered. If a
Legal Entity is located in Russian Federation then it has to be
registered by the Government of the Russian Federation. What defines
the Government's Boundaries then, often blurred by wars and
disputes, as we all observe? For this purpose, examples can be
provided for multiple options: <br>
<br>
1) GADM [2] <br>
2) Wikimedia Commons Atlas of the World [3]<br>
3) Commercial providers, e.g. VDS, Esri, etc [4, 5] <br>
4) International organizations, such as NATO, UN [6, 7]<br>
<br>
Thus, establishing the Boundary of a Government that is entitled to
register a Legal Entity in one or another country within the RIPE
region appears to be fully possible. If we consider ORG-OISI2-RIPE,
the registration within RIPE is clearly corrupt, as with its address
provided as is, the Russian Federation, according to its Boundaries
defined above, does not have capacity to register Legal Entities in
Lugansk and enable their capacities. This leads all of us to believe
that the organization behind the ORG-OISI2-RIPE record is clearly
NOT a Legal Entity, and, thus, may contradict RIPE�s policies.� �� <br>
<br>
References<br>
<br>
[1]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/info/faqs/faq-joining">https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/info/faqs/faq-joining</a><br>
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.gadm.org">http://www.gadm.org</a><br>
[3]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_first-level_administrative_divisions">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_first-level_administrative_divisions</a><br>
[4] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vdstech.com/world-data.aspx">http://www.vdstech.com/world-data.aspx</a><br>
[5]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=d86e32ea12a64727b9e94d6f820123a2">http://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=d86e32ea12a64727b9e94d6f820123a2</a><br>
[6] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nato.int/nato-on-duty/">http://www.nato.int/nato-on-duty/</a><br>
[7] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/world.pdf">http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/world.pdf</a><br>
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<div class="moz-signature">Regards,<br>
<br>
Maxim Usatov, Founder and CTO * BusinessCom Networks <br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/30/15 13:45, Johan Boger wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAHh-2DQ6LtUSKDWE000ddwV=Z934kPxGKos1tbowg9XD+peEqw@mail.gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Hey all,</span>
<div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>
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<div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">While I agree RIPE NCC
should not get involved in political debates, they should,
however, make sure all papers are legal in the nation they
were issued. As for disputed regions, I realize it is
difficult and something perhaps not possible for RIPE NCC to
decide who is right in an interim period, and just what a
"nation" constitutes. We have to remember that changes in
geography usually happens as a result of some sort of war or
invasion, and is rarely something all involved parties agree
on (except in post-war situations in the form of treaties -
and even then, it's a compromise at best after having lost).�<br>
<br>
However, having said that, it is curious I had to send about
25 documents back and forth while renaming a LIR and moving it
to a different geographical location. The requirements for
legal papers issued in both countries were a must then, and I
had to submit information from various government entities in
both nations. So I do wonder a bit why this was so easily
pushed through. Was it perhaps pushed through simply BECAUSE
the RIPE NCC felt it was a political issue and not something
they should touch (so perhaps they didn't apply full scrutiny
to documentation out of fear for touching the untouchables?).�<br>
<br>
If I am entirely out of line or out of sync with procedures, I
apologize.</div>
<div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Just an observation.�</div>
<div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>
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<div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">PS. To mailing list
admin: please ignore my email in the queue sent from <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:team@robtex.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:team@robtex.com">team@robtex.com</a></a>.
My subscribed email is <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:johan@robtex.com">johan@robtex.com</a>, so
naturally that bounced. DS.�</div>
<div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>
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<div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">- Johan Boger,
AS48285.�</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:23 PM,
Samorukov,Alexey <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:samm@net-art.cz"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:samm@net-art.cz">samm@net-art.cz</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><br
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<span
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">To
clarify matters relating to the discussion on
LIRs from the Donetsk</span><br
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<span
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I would like to remind you of the RIPE NCC
Executive Board's</span><br
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<span
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on continuity to service to all members. Please
see the</span><br
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<span
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at:</span><br
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/about-ripe-ncc-and-ripe/executive-board-resolution-on-continuity-of-services-to-all-ripe-ncc-members"
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target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/about-ripe-ncc-and-ripe/executive-board-resolution-on-continuity-of-services-to-all-ripe-ncc-members</a><br
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<br
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<span
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RIPE NCC needs to confirm that an entity exists.
Dutch law does not</span><br
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<span
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the RIPE NCC from using any means it finds
appropriate as proof</span><br
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<span
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a legal entity exists. Documents issued by any
national authority</span><br
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<span
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considered to be sufficient proof.</span></div>
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</span>
<div>Thank you for reply, it would be great to have some
clarifications, if possible.�</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Does it mean that organization�"Center of Internet
services in DNR� is exists in Russia? I cant find any
references to it in the registries. Also it is not clear
what is �national authority� here. Admin-c and tech-c
numbers are with Ukrainian prefix. Lugansk is Ukrainian
city. DNR itself is a terroristic organization which is
located in the Donetsk area (not Lugansk, btw). Could
you please check and confirm that all documents were
checked properly?�</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you.</div>
</div>
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