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    I agree ... Big Lir make alot of money to rent ipv4 space !!!!  this
    problem must be resove !!!<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17-Feb-16 5:27 PM, Cahit Eyigünlü
      wrote:<br>
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      <p dir="ltr">Why do you think this is A problem? <br>
        If you have free space you need to share it not sell or rent <br>
        This is Why there is too many accounts multiple<br>
        Lots of company holding ip addresses more then they need!!</p>
      <p dir="ltr">Sony Xperia™ akıllı telefonumdan gönderildi</p>
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      ---- Olorin Henderson şunu yazdı ----<br>
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      <div><font color="#000000" face="Arial">That isn't practical.</font>
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        <div><font color="#000000" face="Arial">What happens if an
            entity with an LIR account is purchased by another entity
            with an LIR account; they would have to merge or move IPs
            from one to another. Your proposed policy would prohibit
            this, therefore complicating or potentially prohibiting the
            sale and acquisition of web hosts.</font></div>
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        <div><font color="#000000" face="Arial">Kindest regards,</font><font
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              <p><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
                  color:rgb(51,51,51)">Olorin Henderson,<br>
                  Operations Director,</span></p>
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            <p style="color:#AAAAAA; margin-top:10px">On 17/02/2016
              15:18:41, Kampen, Niels van <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nvkampen@sligro.nl"><nvkampen@sligro.nl></a>
              wrote:</p>
            Shouldn't this problem be solved on a higher level (IANA)?
            Or create a workgroup open to the other RIR's as well so we
            can solve this globally?
            <br>
            Finding a solution that doesn't mean a huge increase in
            administrative work for the NCC or making the request
            procedure almost impossible for new LIR's is not a solution.
            <br>
            Could be as easy as making the initial /22 of a LIR
            non-transferable? If you want more IP space to
            rent/lease/sell you can buy additional space from the RIR or
            other brokers.
            <br>
            <br>
            Regards <br>
            Niels <br>
            <br>
            -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- <br>
            Van: members-discuss
            [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] Namens Lu Heng <br>
            Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:43 <br>
            Aan: Sebastian Wiesinger <br>
            CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <br>
            Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce]
            [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
            <br>
            <br>
            Guys: <br>
            <br>
            take the wealth of rich people, distribute it amount
            everybody, and everybody get fair share and working for a
            central planning economy, does it sound familiar if you
            happen to be from one of communist countries?(I heard that
            quite often as I was born in one of communist countries,
            although if it is still communist are very debatable.) <br>
            <br>
            Central administration and central planning will require a
            large central administrative power with enforce body, Ripe
            NCC does not have the power either has the ability to
            enforce such thing, even it does have such power, history
            has told us such thing really doesn't work. <br>
            Centralised resource planning only results corruption and
            less effective economy.
            <br>
            <br>
            The founder of Ripe community, Rob, alone with many other
            original starter Ripe community, said very wisely, "Ripe NCC
            are only a bookkeeper". and still till today I believe such
            fundamental value are very important to the very existence
            of RIR system, without claiming any power, therefore left
            RIPE NCC doing what it should be doing, be a registry and
            record resource whom using it, while protecting itself from
            any management/administration function(in which means
            power), so no government can come ask RIPE NCC to enforce
            anything, or even worse, seeking control of RIPE NCC. <br>
            <br>
            Please, leave RIPE NCC to be a simple book keeper and if you
            really wants to enforce something, go to your local
            government and propose a legislation, banning IPv4 transfer
            and ask big guy give you their unused IPv4 for example, just
            like the some government in history taken wealth from rich
            people give to the poor ones, they are the enforcing body,
            and they have the ability to re-distribute any resource they
            want.
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote:
            <br>
            > * iODC Hostmaster [2016-02-17 15:18]: <br>
            >> Why it is bad to sell IP's? <br>
            > <br>
            >> Take a look at the RIPE market... Prices are
            INSANE, and RIPE is <br>
            >> being maximum abused by "brokers" - that's why it
            is bad, that IP's <br>
            >> can be sold, nevertheless it is the reason why it
            should not be <br>
            >> possible to sell! <br>
            > <br>
            > We had this discussion even before there *was* a
            transfer market. IPs <br>
            > WILL get transferred, money WILL be paid. The only
            thing that RIPE NCC <br>
            > did was to make it possible to document these transfers
            in the <br>
            > database. Before that there was chaos. There is
            practically NOTHING <br>
            > the NCC can do about the transfers happening. We had
            this discussions <br>
            > long ago. We saw it coming. People ignored IPv6. This
            is the result. <br>
            > <br>
            > I'm so tired talking about this. IPv4 is over and done
            and because <br>
            > people ignored this for a decade we're forced to fight
            against other <br>
            > people trying to make money from the last pool that was
            explicitly <br>
            > created to allow newcomes to enter a market that ONLY
            exists because <br>
            > others decided they did not want to invest into IPv6. <br>
            > <br>
            > Regards <br>
            > <br>
            > Sebastian <br>
            > <br>
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