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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            please<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Kind
              Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Pat
              Donegan,�������������������������������������
              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#ED7D31">Operations
                Director<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">�
              <b><span style="color:#E36C0A">Phone:</span></b>�� +353 1
              687 6506 | <b><span style="color:#ED7D31">Mob:</span></b>��
              +353 86 811 6858 |
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                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:Pat.Donegan@nextgen.ie">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Pat.Donegan@nextgen.ie">Pat.Donegan@nextgen.ie</a></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                lang="EN-US"> members-discuss
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Omar Dallah<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 17 February 2016 15:42<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>; 'RIPE NCC
                Hostmaster' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net"><hostmaster@ripe.net></a>; 'RIPE NCC LIR
                Startup Coordinator' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:new-lir@ripe.net"><new-lir@ripe.net></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [members-discuss] remove from disscusion
                email list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Dears,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Please remove my email from the discussion
            email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still
            receiving the discussion emails. Please help.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US">Omar Dallah<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthijs van Seventer<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 17 February 2016 16:58<br>
                <b>To:</b> BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; <a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a></a>;
                Claudiu Foleanu<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [comms]
                [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="NL">Hello all,
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="NL"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">LIR�s that don�t use IPv4 adresses should be
            able to return them. The only parties that will win
            otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">Matthijs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
              lang="NL">Van:</span></b><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
            lang="NL"> members-discuss [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
            <b>Namens </b>BOGDAN Orasanu<br>
            <b>Verzonden:</b> woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53<br>
            <b>Aan:</b> 'Markus' <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:universe@truemetal.org">universe@truemetal.org</a>>;
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>;
            Claudiu Foleanu <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com">claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com</a>><br>
            <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [comms]
            [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="NL">Hi there,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="NL">I administer such a small ISP, that had to
            return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses.
            This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by
            RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed
            milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer
            maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ?
            Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to
            capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only
            toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want
            to manage their own address space and not for trade. The
            resource belongs to public not to lirs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="NL">Best regards,<br>
            Bogdan Orasanu<br>
            Senior Network Administrator<br>
            SC Expert Net SRL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="NL">Sent from my Sony Xperia� smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
            lang="NL"><br>
            <br>
            ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ----<br>
            <br>
            Hi Markus,<br>
            <br>
            The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As
            per end user<br>
            contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources"
            and after this<br>
            the resources are sold.<br>
            It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in
            Romania. I think<br>
            that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4
            address space) sold.<br>
            And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in
            use. I have a<br>
            /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company
            by the lir. I<br>
            have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter
            just started<br>
            getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine
            that someone<br>
            will do something like this.<br>
            We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the
            reply was find a<br>
            new lir we cannot help in the matter.<br>
            We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania
            regarding address<br>
            space from Romania with the same issue.<br>
            <br>
            Best regards,<br>
            Claudiu Foleanu<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            -----Original Message-----<br>
            From: members-discuss [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
            On Behalf Of<br>
            Markus<br>
            Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM<br>
            To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>;
            Claudiu Foleanu<br>
            Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news]
            RIPE NCC<br>
            Members and Multiple<br>
            <br>
            Hi Claudiu,<br>
            <br>
            Am <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:17.02.2016">17.02.2016</a>
            um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:<br>
            > No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people
            are abusing the <br>
            > system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a
            /24 etc.. have <br>
            > the resources allocated taken away, and sold for
            profit.<br>
            [...]<br>
            <br>
            can you elaborate on how these small companies have
            resources taken away<br>
            from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these
            companies to<br>
            give their resources up?<br>
            <br>
            I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.ip.ro"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ip.ro">www.ip.ro</a></a>)
            from<br>
            your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like
            all the time. It<br>
            seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE
            market judging from<br>
            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra">https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra</a><br>
            nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics><br>
            <br>
            Do they have something to do with what you described?<br>
            <br>
            Cheers<br>
            Markus<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
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