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    <p>Agree. As a fresh member i would probably have not signed up to a
      forum.</p>
    <p>I think that people also think more about what, if anything, they
      bring to the discussion before replying to a mailing list. Forums,
      not so much.<br>
    </p>
    -Aleksi Ursin<br>
    Magna Capax Finland<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27.5.2016 18:22, David Ponzone
      wrote:<br>
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      I think it was agreed not so long ago that a forum would reduce
      the amount of actual readers.<br class="">
      <div class="">Push works better than pull, that’s a fact.</div>
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          <div class="">Le 27 mai 2016 à 17:04, Arash Naderpour <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:arash.naderpour@gmail.com" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arash.naderpour@gmail.com">arash.naderpour@gmail.com</a></a>>
            a écrit :</div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="">I support a forum-style solution,
              not sure why we cannot have such a thing yet.
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              <div class="">Arash Naderpour<br class="">
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br class="">
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 7:57
                    PM, Dominik Nowacki <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk"
                        target="_blank" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk">dominik@clouvider.co.uk</a></a>></span>
                    wrote:<br class="">
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                              class="">Tough. It’s a mailing list, most
                              people do have corporate signatures, I
                              don’t see it changing anytime soon. We can
                              always move from mailing lists to the
                              forum-style solution if there is enough
                              support for this move.</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                              class="">Kind Regards,</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                              class="">Dom</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                              class="">uk.clouvider</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                                class="" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                              class="" lang="EN-US"> members-discuss
                              [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
                                target="_blank" class="">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
                              <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Christopher
                              Demicoli<br class="">
                              <b class="">Sent:</b> 27 May 2016 10:53<br
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                              <b class="">Cc:</b> <a
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                                target="_blank" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a></a><br
                                class="">
                              <b class="">Subject:</b> Re:
                              [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the
                              list</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Can we also get rid
                                  of these humongous signatures? Reading
                                  a discussion now consists of scrolling
                                  past signatures in hope of finding
                                  relevant content</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 27,
                                    2016 at 11:47 AM, Husam Alhmoud <<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                    wrote:</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Yes</p>
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                                              On May 27, 2016, at 1:45
                                              PM, REG ID: pl.skonet <<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:lir@skonet.pl"
                                                target="_blank" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lir@skonet.pl">lir@skonet.pl</a></a>>
                                              wrote:</p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal">+1000
                                                to forcefully
                                                unsubscribe the bots and
                                                auto-responders.<br
                                                  class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                Best regards<br class="">
                                                Tomasz Śląski<br
                                                  class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                W dniu 2016-05-27 o
                                                11:41, Elvis Daniel
                                                Velea pisze:</p>
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                                                style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi
                                                Fergal,<br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                that has never worked
                                                completely. There have
                                                always been bots and
                                                ticketing systems
                                                subscribed to the list.<br
                                                  class="">
                                                We can all give you a
                                                list of the bots and the
                                                email addresses that
                                                need to be forcefully
                                                unsubscribed from the
                                                members-discuss list.<br
                                                  class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                So, I think it's time we
                                                propose and vote to give
                                                the RIPE NCC the mandate
                                                to really maintain this
                                                mailing list and
                                                forcefully unsubscribe
                                                the bots and
                                                auto-responders.<br
                                                  class="">
                                                Dear members, do you
                                                agree with my idea?<br
                                                  class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                regards,<br class="">
                                                elvis</p>
                                              <div class="">
                                                <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                  5/27/16 11:37 AM,
                                                  Fergal Cunningham
                                                  wrote:</p>
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                                                <pre class="">Dear colleagues,</pre>
                                                <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                <pre class="">We will contact the autoresponders and carry out our periodic effort to</pre>
                                                <pre class="">contact the responsible people.</pre>
                                                <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                <pre class="">Best regards,</pre>
                                                <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                <pre class="">Fergal Cunningham</pre>
                                                <pre class="">Membership Communications Officer</pre>
                                                <pre class="">RIPE NCC</pre>
                                                <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                <pre class="">On 27/05/16 10:31, Husam AlHmoud wrote:</pre>
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                                                  <pre class="">I fully agree with Dominik, it reduces the interest in reading and</pre>
                                                  <pre class="">participating in any discussion and/or subject.</pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class="">Regards,</pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class="">* *</pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class="">*Husam AlHmoud*</pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class="">Cloud & Hosting Director</pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com" target="_blank" class="">husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com</a> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com" target="_blank" class=""><mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com></a></pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class="">*From:* members-discuss [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank" class="">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] *On</pre>
                                                  <pre class="">Behalf Of *Dominik Nowacki</pre>
                                                  <pre class="">*Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2016 12:27 PM</pre>
                                                  <pre class="">*To:* <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a></pre>
                                                  <pre class="">*Subject:* [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list</pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class="">Hi,</pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class="">Can I please ask RIPE staff to look at the list again and get all the</pre>
                                                  <pre class="">bots to be unsubscribed ? It’s very disruptive to get a significant</pre>
                                                  <pre class="">number of ticket desks, autoresponders, or mailer daemon emails every</pre>
                                                  <pre class="">time you send anything to the discussion list…</pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class="">Kind Regards,</pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class="">Dom</pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class="">uk.clouvider</pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
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                                                  <pre class="">mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:</pre>
                                                  <pre class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" target="_blank" class="">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a></pre>
                                                  <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                  <pre class="">Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.</pre>
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                                                <pre class=""> </pre>
                                                <pre class="">Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.</pre>
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                                                        Daniel Velea</span></h1>
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                                                      <span
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                                                        class="">Chief
                                                        Executive
                                                        Officer</span></h2>
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                                                        class="">E-mail:</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#74757d"
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                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:elvis@V4Escrow.net" target="_blank" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:elvis@V4Escrow.net">elvis@V4Escrow.net</a></a><br
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                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1%C2%A0%28702%29%C2%A0970%C2%A00921" value="+17029700921"
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                                                          class="">+1 (702) 970 0921</a></span></p>
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                                                        IPv4
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                                          <pre class="">Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.</pre>
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                                          If you don't want to receive
                                          emails from the RIPE NCC
                                          members-discuss<br class="">
                                          mailing list, please log in to
                                          your LIR Portal account and go
                                          to the general page:<br
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                                            href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/"
                                            target="_blank" class="">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br
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                                          <br class="">
                                          Click on "Edit my LIR
                                          details", under "Subscribed
                                          Mailing Lists". From here, you
                                          can add or remove addresses.</p>
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                                      If you don't want to receive
                                      emails from the RIPE NCC
                                      members-discuss<br class="">
                                      mailing list, please log in to
                                      your LIR Portal account and go to
                                      the general page:<br class="">
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/"
                                        target="_blank" class="">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br
                                        class="">
                                      <br class="">
                                      Click on "Edit my LIR details",
                                      under "Subscribed Mailing Lists".
                                      From here, you can add or remove
                                      addresses.</p>
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