<html style="direction: ltr;"> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> The best description on this ML is for "Dmitriy Zemlyanoy",Cheap LIR signup does not help who really need IPs,It help IP-Broker to Store-To-Sell 185/8 :) <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/22/2016 12:59 AM, Dmitriy Zemlyanoy wrote: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:9cec9e6b3aa7523cc00bbf6e6d91fcc4@deltahost.com.ua" type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">I understand there's a history regarding (old) allocation policies, but I'm just interested in lowering or removing the sign-up fee for each additional LIR account. When I request an additional LIR account, I'll be paying for the additional annually service fee which should be sufficient. </blockquote> You proposition sounds like "Let make IPs so cheap, so everybody can take as much as he want". I'm strictly against it. Because it will open an ability to get a lot of IPs just for store. The last /8 will end very very soon in this case. And then nobody will be able to get new IPs. Neither for little money, neighter for big money. And that day when ability to get new IPs from RIPE will be lost - those LIRs, who was able to get cheap IPs for store, will remove them from storing and start selling. And the price will be much more then we have today. $15 per IP. $20 per IP. Do we want such scenario? No. I prefer we all stay at current positions. It is nice and balanced now. Those LIR who REALLY need new IPs, can obtain them now. How determine if the LIR REALLY need new IPs? It's simple. He ready to pay for it. If LIR want to get more IPs and don't to want pay for it - he don't really need it. He just want to get as much IPs as he can get for keeping it in store. And trying to get maximum IPs at minimal cost. If you need IPs - you will pay for it. If you are not ready to pay for it - you don't need it. That is how I see it. </blockquote> </body> </html>