<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Surprisingly, the main argument from the "big old ones" is: That's how we've always been doing. Ever heard of the experiment about some monkeys, a ladder and a water hose? We just got our /22, and we are not going to need any more IPv4 in a foreseeable future. IPv6 is the way. We know, we got it, we agree. *But* I do agree that it is unfair that our fee is the same as some LIR that own/hoard/have so many more resources than us. The people telling us to switch to IPv6 are the ones who run all their networks on IPv4 and thus making IPv6 spread slower. I do find the ARIN model a lot better than the RIPE one. <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/09/2016 22:30, Tim Armstrong wrote: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:CAJi5Lfj=dnbGZkoB5EgoAbGY3026x3Y64jdmus5b3fJ2GZy5bA@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> I agree entirely! Too many people are blaming others for their own short sightedness, and frankly it's no one's fault but their own. <div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On 22 Sep 2016 10:16 p.m., "Gert Doering" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi, On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 06:30:54PM +0000, Network Engineers wrote: > We need to see better hardware support for IPv6 before we work on end-user adoption.� It???s hard to build apps at Internet scale when your expensive front-end load balancers don???t support IPv6 in their ASICs. Decide with your wallet.� Just do not buy the stuff that cannot do IPv6 - there is enough stuff available today (and has been since many years) that will happily do IPv6 at the same speed as IPv4. For loadbalancers, at least F5 and Citrix Netscaler never had this "IPv6 in software only" tax. (And do not complain *now* that you did not listen to us telling everyone for the last 10+ years that "if you buy new gear, make sure that it will do proper IPv6 when you decide to turn it on, when you're ready") Gert Doering � � � � -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG� � � � � � � � � � � � Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14� � � � � Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen� � � � � � � � � �HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444� � � � � �USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 </blockquote> </div> </div> <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <pre wrap="">---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.</pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>