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<p>Hi guys,</p>
<p>I got that mail also. But I would say, please calm down, he had
an good idea and he offer a good service.</p>
<p>It was his first time and he not spam us many times...<br>
</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Mit freundlichen Gr��en,
Marcel Edler
Gesch�ftsinhaber
Optimate-Server
Im Sommerfeld 38
63150 Heusenstamm
Germany
Tel.: 06104 / 9722141
Fax: 06104 / 9722142
Mobil: 0177 / 83 55 499
eMail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:medler@optimate-server.de">medler@optimate-server.de</a>
Internet: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.optimate-server.de">http://www.optimate-server.de</a>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 10.10.2016 um 17:31 schrieb Nick
Hilliard:<br>
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<div style="font-size: 11pt;font-family: Calibri;">Cyprian,<br>
<br>
Thank you for confirming that you used RIPE Database information
for direct marketing purposes.<br>
<br>
RIPE NCC: can you confirm whether or not using RIPE Database
information for direct marketing purposes is a violation of the
Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement?<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
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cite="mid:CAH6a+YWUQ=5fWZzwFzPdOCkPsmCaiats4LtWRUmAnZ2R1kEkAw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
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<div
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:49%;"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:office@ip-broker.uk" style="color:#485664
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none
!important;">Ciprian Nica</a></div>
<div
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:
right;"> <font color="#909AA4"><span
style="padding-left:6px">10 October 2016 at 16:25</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Yes, I have used the specific contact details
for the specific block. How can anyone get in contact with
the user of a specific block of IPs if not by using the
contact details listed for that block ?�
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I didn't deny that, I only said that I didn't dig for
a bunch of e-mails to send a spam advertising some
service or product. I specifically contacted the listed
persons for each specific block that I've found to be
unused.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Once again I apologize if sending you a single e-mail
for a specific block that is not in use really causes so
much trouble.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nick@netability.ie" style="color:#485664
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none
!important;">Nick Hilliard</a></div>
<div
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:
right;"> <font color="#909AA4"><span
style="padding-left:6px">10 October 2016 at 16:20</span></font></div>
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<div style="font-size: 11pt;font-family: Calibri;">Cyprian,<br>
<br>
You used a specific email address that has only ever been
used by me in the RIPE database.� If you have used it, and
particularly if you have used it in association with a
specific range of RIPE NCC-assigned ipv4 addresses, it
means that this information has been pulled either
directly or indirectly from the RIPE database.<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
<br>
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#EDF1F4;padding-top:10px;">
<div
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:49%;">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:office@ip-broker.uk" style="color:#485664
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none
!important;">Ciprian Nica</a></div>
<div
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:
right;"> <font color="#909AA4"><span
style="padding-left:6px">10 October 2016 at 16:12</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Nick,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>First of all, I have not used the ripe database
contact info to send marketing, advertising or anything
to promote a service or product.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I apologize to anyone that was disturbed by my
e-mail. I have tried not to send any duplicates and
limited as much as possible any discomfort. I'm not
doing this on a regular basis and probably you've never
got an e-mail from me before.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There are 43 million IP addresses which are allocated
in RIPE region and are not announced in the global BGP
table. Of course there are some which are not announced
on purpose and to those I apologize again. But there are
many IP addresses which are not in use and the only way
to get in touch with the users is by contacting them
using obviously publicly available contact information.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have e-mailed contacts for specific subnets that
were checked to be not advertised. How else should we
get the IPs to the market ? There's no tool provided by
RIPE or any other solution to push this huge amount to
the market. Maybe some are concerned that bringing up
the unused space will lower the prices. Well, I am not
supporting those who sit on huge amount of IPs and seek
prices in the 10+ EUR range. I really hope IPv6 will
move quicker and in a couple of years no IPv4 will have
value so while there is still some demand, we're doing
our best to find the supply, to dig it up to the
surface.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So, once again at this moment there are over 43
million IPs in the RIPE region only that are not
advertised in the BGP table. The total amount of IPs
transferred over the past 4 years in the RIPE region is
~27 million.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I apologize if my method was too extreme and have
upset some people but I promise not to bother you again.
Most likely there are people who just sit on the
resources and don't care about other's needs. We can't
seem to be able to lift their butts off them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Have a nice week,</div>
<div>Ciprian</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nick@netability.ie" style="color:#485664
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none
!important;">Nick Hilliard</a></div>
<div
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:
right;"> <font color="#909AA4"><span
style="padding-left:6px">10 October 2016 at 15:20</span></font></div>
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<pre wrap="">I've received several copies of the template email below about several
different address ranges, all sent to email addresses culled from the
RIPE Database. They all appear to originate from Cyprian Nica / IP
Broker Ltd.
In order to be listed as an IP broker on the RIPE web site, it is
necessary to sign the "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement". This
includes the following text:
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<pre wrap="">The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC
procedural documents, [...]
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
The RIPE Database T&Cs include the following text:
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">Users may not use the RIPE Database or the data contained therein for
advertising, direct marketing, marketing research or similar purposes.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Could the RIPE NCC kindly confirm whether or not spamming contact email
address gleaned from the RIPE DB is a violation of the Recognised IPv4
Transfer Broker Agreement?
If this isn't a violation, could the Board consider specifically adding
an anti-spamming term into the IP Broker T&Cs listing?
Nick
Ciprian Nica wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Dear Sirs,
My name is Ciprian Nica and I'm the CEO of IP Broker Ltd, one of the
first IPv4 Address brokers in the RIPE region. I am contacting you
regarding the block of 256 IPv4 addresses (from x.x.x.0 to
'y.y.y.255') which according to our data seems to be not in use as
they are not announced in the global BGP table.
If you no longer need these IP addresses then it is a good moment to
sell them. The global IPv6 deployment rate is around 15% while in USA
is around 30% so in a couple of years IPv4 might become worthless
again.
Of course that besides the subnet mentioned above there might be some
other blocks that you might not need. Please let us know all the
blocks of IP addresses that you no longer need and we will do our
best to sell them in a fast and secure way.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Thank you,
Ciprian Nica
CEO
IP Broker Limited
t: +44 20 339 339 91
</pre>
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