<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Same here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 5, 2017 11:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk><br><b>Cc:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>+1 , I didnt add to this thread…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>De:</span></b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] <b>En nombre de </b>R. van Laake<br><b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 5 de septiembre de 2017 10:54<br><b>Para:</b> Tim Armstrong <<a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a>>; Catalin Dominte <<a href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a>><br><b>CC:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Armstrong<br><b>Sent:</b> dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52<br><b>To:</b> Catalin Dominte<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>I agree entirely.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <<a href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk" target="_blank">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div id="m_-4659045675559036009bloop_customfont"><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-4659045675559036009bloop_customfont"><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-4659045675559036009bloop_customfont"><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="m_-4659045675559036009bloop_sign_1504600906517597952"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=NL style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Catalin Dominte</span></b><span lang=NL><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group</span><span lang=NL style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Office: <a href="tel:+44%201628%20200219" target="_blank">+44 (0)1628 200 219</a></span></i><span lang=NL style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:9.75pt'><span lang=NL style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'>The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=m-4659045675559036009airmailon><span lang=NL>On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (<a href="mailto:telco@intrinsec.com" target="_blank">telco@intrinsec.com</a>) wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><p><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>Comment added by : Tim Armstrong<br><br>Comment Content:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <<a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com" target="_blank">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Tim.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=m-4659045675559036009hoenzb><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#888888'>--</span></span><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#888888'><img border=0 width=97 height=31 style='width:1.0083in;height:.325in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download"></span><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><pre style='white-space:pre-wrap'><span class=m-4659045675559036009hoenzb><b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Tim Armstrong</span></b></span><b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'><br></span></b><span class=m-4659045675559036009hoenzb><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Dark Lord of Network Operations</span></span><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'><br></span><span class=m-4659045675559036009hoenzb><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#999999;background:white'>+31 6 175 444 72</span></span><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><img border=0 width=97 height=31 style='width:1.0083in;height:.325in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><pre style='white-space:pre-wrap'><b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Tim Armstrong<br></span></b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Dark Lord of Network Operations<br></span><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#999999;background:white'>+31 6 175 444 72</span><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br></span><span lang=NL style='font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"fdtktid",serif;color:white'>6372:154148</span><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>---- <br>If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss <br>mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: <br><a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> <br><br>Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><br>----<br>If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br>mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br><a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br><br>Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><img border=0 width=97 height=31 style='width:1.0083in;height:.325in' id="_x0000_i1027" src="https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><pre style='white-space:pre-wrap'><b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Tim Armstrong<br></span></b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Dark Lord of Network Operations<br></span><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#999999;background:white'><a href="tel:+31617544472" target="_blank">+31 6 175 444 72</a></span><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>