<html><head><base href="x-msg://1819/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Welcome to Poland. 1k eur per person, including all social costs.<br/> <br/> <font color="#888888"><font color="#888888">Wysłane z urządzenia android.</font></font><br/><br/>-----Original Message-----<br/>From: David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr><br/>To: Hans Govenius <Hans.Govenius@devnet.fi><br/>Cc: "agm@ripe.net" <agm@ripe.net>, "members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net><br/>Sent: czw., 12 kwi 2018 21:54<br/>Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019<br/><br/></div>AFAIK, social charges paid by the employer in NL are around 28%, so it's less than 3000 euros per month per staff member of income.<div>And that's before social charges paid by the employee (18%), so it's less than 2500€ of net income per staff.</div><div><br></div><div>I would not judge if that's high or low in NL, but that's not 4000.</div><div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Helvetica Neue'"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1C00FF">David Ponzone </font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">Direction Technique</span></font></font></div><div style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Helvetica Neue'"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">email: <a href="mailto:david.ponzone@ipeva.fr">david.ponzone@ipeva.fr</a></span></font></font></div><div style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Helvetica Neue'"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">tel: 01 74 03 18 97</span></font></font></div><div style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Helvetica Neue'"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">gsm: 06 66 98 76 34</span></font></font></div><div style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Helvetica Neue'"><br></font></div><div style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1C00FF" face="'Helvetica Neue'">Service Client </font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Helvetica Neue'"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">IP</font></font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1C00FF" face="'Helvetica Neue'">eva</font></div><div style="font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1C00FF" face="'Helvetica Neue'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Helvetica Neue'"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">tel: 0811 46 26 26</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Helvetica Neue'" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 10px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 34, 243); "><span style="text-decoration: underline; "><a href="blocked::http://www.ipeva.fr/">www.ipeva.fr</a></span><span style="color: rgb(101, 104, 149); "> - <span style="color: rgb(0, 34, 243); text-decoration: underline; "><a href="blocked::http://www.ipeva-studio.com/">www.ipeva-studio.com</a></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 10px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 34, 243); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="text-decoration: underline; "><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 10px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 34, 243); "><span class="Apple-style-span"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; text-align: justify; font: normal normal normal 10px/normal Arial; color: rgb(192, 192, 192); "><i>Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. </i><b><i>IPeva</i></b><i> décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.</i></div><div style="text-decoration: underline; text-align: justify; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#C0C0C0"><i><br></i></font></div></span></div></span></font></div></span></font></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div> <br><div><div>Le 12 avr. 2018 à 12:01, Hans Govenius a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="FI" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>Hello<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>There is 153 staff memebers at RIPE and having OPEX of 7,5 meur in Internals means over 4000 euros per month per one staff member. That is indeed quite high for a non-profit organization and therefore it would not be bad for transparency to open up atleast the biggest individual items. With current information it is not possible for paying members to sufficiently control and oversee the expenses generated by operations.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>Hans Govenius<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b>Lähettäjä:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Puolesta<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Aleksey Bulgakov<br><b>Lähetetty:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>keskiviikko 11. huhtikuuta 2018 18.52<br><b>Kopio:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:agm@ripe.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">agm@ripe.net</a><br><b>Aihe:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Dear, Axel.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Thank you for your report.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">But I cannot understand some things. The number of members increases every year, but the annual payment isn't changed. The NCC is noncommercial organisation, but the payment for new members is 2000 euro for registration. Is it so hard to print papers and send them by DHL and is it necessary to make the membership so expensive?<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">ср, 11 Апр 2018 г., 18:11 Sergey Myasoedov <<a href="mailto:kaa@net-art.cz" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">kaa@net-art.cz</a>>:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding-top: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-top: 5pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Dear Axel,<br><br>Thank you for publishing the reports.<br><br>It's very nice to put 7.5 MEur of opex as 'Internal' as mentioned on<br>the page 7 of the Annual Report, but this amount is 1/3 of total opex.<br>Can this amount be explained?<br><br><br>--<br>Kind regards,<br>Sergey Myasoedov<br><br><br><br>You wrote Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 4:08:43 PM:<br><br>> Dear RIPE NCC members,<br><br>> The following important documents are now online:<br><br>> - RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017<br>> - RIPE NCC Financial Report 2017<br>> - RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019<br><br>> All three are supporting documents for the RIPE NCC General Meeting<br>> (GM), which takes place from 16-18 May 2018. Members will vote to<br>> approve the Financial Report and the Charging Scheme at the GM.<br><br>> The full list of supporting documents is available at:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/supporting-documents/supporting-documents" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/supporting-documents/supporting-documents</a><br><br>> If you have any feedback, please email <<a href="mailto:agm@ripe.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">agm@ripe.net</a>>.<br><br>> We ask all RIPE NCC members to register for the GM so they can vote on<br>> these documents, as well as in the Executive Board elections that will<br>> take place at the GM. Full remote participation is possible for those<br>> who cannot attend the meeting in Marseille.<br><br>> We previously announced that publication of these documents would take<br>> place on 4 April. We apologise for the delay.<br><br>> All information on the GM, including the draft agenda and how to<br>> register to participate remotely, is included on the GM homepage:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/</a><br><br>> Best regards,<br><br>> Axel Pawlik<br>> Managing Director<br>> RIPE NCC<br><br><br><br><br>--<br>Kind regards,<br>Sergey Myasoedov<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>members-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br>Unsubscribe:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></div></blockquote></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>members-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br>Unsubscribe:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/david.ponzone%40ipeva.fr" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/david.ponzone%40ipeva.fr</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>