<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /></head><body><div data-crea="font-wrapper" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 16px; direction: ltr"><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 16px"></div>Even more fun - What you read here is in fact the Turkish government (this is the head of the IT department of the ministry in charge of IT) offering to make available subsidies.<div><br></div><div>Let's spin it on for a second: If the costs would really be *any* arguable point i guarantee we can reduce the RIPE member needed funding to zero in a few hours - we call up a bunch of Saudi and Qatari LIRs, play them against each other and the financing is there next Tuesday, but they take influence for it. Same with a few governments that gladly finance the NCC... for influence.</div><div><br></div><div>Everyone takes influence for favours (and for money as well), this is business. </div><div>And as we all surely know, stability costs money as well (taxes finance healthcare and other spending, unless your country is resource rich but then the chance of having much democracy at all is very low statistically) - it is not free.</div><div>We do not want to end up in a permanent uncertainty state like AFRINIC (which ironically was split from... RIPE).</div><div><br></div><div>That is why it is fine how it is, especially as NL covers a lot of similar institutions (ICoJ & several other UN institutions, Air traffic related things for EU, etc. etc.) and has an excellent track record from human rights to solid legal system, with still the EU courts on top if ever required.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>----</div><div>Obviously also unrealistic as you said but I'd vote strictly against London as well - Primarily as UK is soon not EU member anymore (which removes the EU court recourse) and while ok-ish legal system it is not really as transparent or free as NL (see OECD indexes & Transparency International reports) plus somewhat too US aligned (which a lot of RIPE served area is not interested in, my country included). I'd also not want to see 2 RIRs in the UK's influence sphere (which AU is in with APNIC).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>William Weber<br><div></div><br><br><div data-anchor="reply-title">On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 15:41, Bunea TELECOM <suport@bunea.eu> wrote:</div><blockquote><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space">
Oh, I’m sorry, but this discussion is really out of hand. Are you talking about moving RIPE offices because of lower costs in certain parts of the world ? I think this is insane to even bring to subject such matters.<div>Ripe is based in Netherlands, one of the best and most respected countries on Earth, and it should remain there. Proposing to move RIPE or even propose for RIPE to open offices in parts of the world that are politically, military and economically unstable (like Turkey or Russia) is simply BS.</div><div>Even in my country, with a socialist Government we have political and economical uncertainties just about every other week. </div><div><br></div><div>To be honest, the only place I would RIPE to open offices any time soon is in London, which is one of the financial and IT capitals of the EU (so far). The entire world really needs to be focused on the West in every aspect possible, rather than heading East.</div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely,<br><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 13 Apr 2018, at 12:23, Engür Rıza Pişirici <<a href="mailto:engur@bilkent.edu.tr" target="_blank" tabindex="-1" rel="external">engur@bilkent.edu.tr</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><span style="font-family: Helvetica;font-size: 12px;font-style: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;font-weight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;float: none;display: inline !important">Hello All,</span><div style="font-family: Helvetica;font-size: 12px;font-style: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;font-weight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica;font-size: 12px;font-style: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;font-weight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Istanbul might be good idea if RIPE NCC really want to move some parts of their office to Eastern Europe.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica;font-size: 12px;font-style: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;font-weight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica;font-size: 12px;font-style: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;font-weight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Best Regards,</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica;font-size: 12px;font-style: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;font-weight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica;font-size: 12px;font-style: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;font-weight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">-engur</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica;font-size: 12px;font-style: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;font-weight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">tr.bilkent</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica;font-size: 12px;font-style: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;font-weight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica;font-size: 12px;font-style: normal;font-variant-caps: normal;font-weight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><br><div>On 12 Apr 2018, at 22:35, Aleksey Bulgakov <<a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com" target="_blank" tabindex="-1" rel="external">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto">So what do you think about moving a part of the office of the RIPE to Eastern Europe (registration services, customer services, technicians), and leaving the management in the Netherlands? This will reduce spending for electricity, wages, taxes, and, consequently, membership fees.</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">чт, 12 Апр 2018 г., 21:41 Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net" target="_blank" tabindex="-1" rel="external">gert@space.net</a>>:<br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width: 1px;border-left-style: solid;border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left: 1ex">Hi,<br><br>On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 01:09:47PM +0300, Juri wrote:<br>> Gerg, please don't move away point of main question.<br>> All those things should be discussed separately.<br><br>As people join the NCC *only* because it's cheaper to get an IPv4 /22<span> </span><br>that way, and not for any other reason (like, IPv6, or voting rights,<br>or "because they want to be part of the Internet community") - as long<br>as this is (quite visibly) happening, you cannot separate resource<br>consumption from fee structure.<br><br>Gert Doering<br> -- NetMaster<br>--<span> </span><br>have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<br><br>SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. 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