<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /></head><body><div data-crea="font-wrapper" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 16px; direction: ltr"><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 16px"></div>Let's not even start on political climate and safety in Turkey; this discussion is pointless (because neither exists anymore).<div><div><div><br></div><div>Funny enough, as i noted to a Russian writing me direct the *worst* possibilities are Turkey, Belarus and the arab countries - Russia is not THAT bad, i just noted what i know as it was specifically mentioned as option.</div><div><br></div><div>RIPE is where it always was, where it should be and safe there at higher but not insane costs - if you want INSANE costs look at the LACNIC and ARIN spending (which also are far less open generally about it). If you want to see legal corruption on paper look at AFRINIC.</div><div><br></div><div>APNIC and RIPE are pretty much the only fair, affordable and *predictable* RIRs.</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>William Weber<br><br><div></div><br><br><div data-anchor="reply-title">On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 11:36, Engür Rıza Pişirici <engur@bilkent.edu.tr> wrote:</div><blockquote><div><div dir="auto">
Hello All,<div><br></div><div>Istanbul might be good idea if RIPE NCC really want to move some parts of their office to Eastern Europe.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>-engur</div><div>tr.bilkent</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>On 12 Apr 2018, at 22:35, Aleksey Bulgakov <<a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com" target="_blank" tabindex="-1" rel="external">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto">So what do you think about moving a part of the office of the RIPE to Eastern Europe (registration services, customer services, technicians), and leaving the management in the Netherlands? This will reduce spending for electricity, wages, taxes, and, consequently, membership fees.</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">чт, 12 Апр 2018 г., 21:41 Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net" target="_blank" tabindex="-1" rel="external">gert@space.net</a>>:<br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex">Hi,<br><br>
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 01:09:47PM +0300, Juri wrote:<br>
> Gerg, please don't move away point of main question.<br>
> All those things should be discussed separately.<br><br>
As people join the NCC *only* because it's cheaper to get an IPv4 /22 <br>
that way, and not for any other reason (like, IPv6, or voting rights,<br>
or "because they want to be part of the Internet community") - as long<br>
as this is (quite visibly) happening, you cannot separate resource<br>
consumption from fee structure.<br><br>
Gert Doering<br>
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