<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I was just about to write the same. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I didn’t read all mails on this discussion as the threat is escalating and to many very personal opinions where made.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In general it seems that the community is looking for more details on investments and expenses made and how things are calculated.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Please allow RIPE time to take a statement on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mit freundlichen Grüßen<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#57BAB7">Mauricio Schäpers<o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7B7B7B">CIO / Trainer & Consultant<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bunea TELECOM<br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 13, 2018 12:02 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Engür Rıza Pişirici <engur@bilkent.edu.tr><br> <b>Cc:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Oh, I’m sorry, but this discussion is really out of hand. Are you talking about moving RIPE offices because of lower costs in certain parts of the world ? I think this is insane to even bring to subject such matters.<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Ripe is based in Netherlands, one of the best and most respected countries on Earth, and it should remain there. Proposing to move RIPE or even propose for RIPE to open offices in parts of the world that are politically, military and economically unstable (like Turkey or Russia) is simply BS.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Even in my country, with a socialist Government we have political and economical uncertainties just about every other week. <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">To be honest, the only place I would RIPE to open offices any time soon is in London, which is one of the financial and IT capitals of the EU (so far). The entire world really needs to be focused on the West in every aspect possible, rather than heading East.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">—<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><br> <img width="63" height="73" style="width:.6562in;height:.7604in" id="_x0035_5394A23-59FC-49B5-8B36-9DDAAB0A191B" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3D345.C24DF750"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><br> <br> <br> <br> <span class="txt"><b>Petru Bunea</b></span> <span class="sep">/</span> <span class="txt">CEO</span> <br> <a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"><span style="color:#477CCC;text-decoration:none">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span class="sep"> / </span><span class="txt"><a href="tel:+40752481282">+40752481282</a></span><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:7.5pt;line-height:9.0pt;orphans: auto;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;widows: 1;word-spacing:0px"> <span class="txt"><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#212121">Bunea TELECOM</span></b></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> / DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT<br> <a href="http://www.bunea.eu/"><span style="color:#477CCC;text-decoration:none">http://www.bunea.eu</span></a> / <a href="tel:+40745495495">+40745495495</a><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On 13 Apr 2018, at 12:23, Engür Rıza Pişirici <<a href="mailto:engur@bilkent.edu.tr">engur@bilkent.edu.tr</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Hello All,</span><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Istanbul might be good idea if RIPE NCC really want to move some parts of their office to Eastern Europe.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">-engur<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">tr.bilkent<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">On 12 Apr 2018, at 22:35, Aleksey Bulgakov <<a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">So what do you think about moving a part of the office of the RIPE to Eastern Europe (registration services, customer services, technicians), and leaving the management in the Netherlands? This will reduce spending for electricity, wages, taxes, and, consequently, membership fees.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">чт, 12 Апр 2018 г., 21:41 Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Hi,<br> <br> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 01:09:47PM +0300, Juri wrote:<br> > Gerg, please don't move away point of main question.<br> > All those things should be discussed separately.<br> <br> As people join the NCC *only* because it's cheaper to get an IPv4 /22<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br> that way, and not for any other reason (like, IPv6, or voting rights,<br> or "because they want to be part of the Internet community") - as long<br> as this is (quite visibly) happening, you cannot separate resource<br> consumption from fee structure.<br> <br> Gert Doering<br> -- NetMaster<br> --<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<br> <br> SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. 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