<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body bgcolor="white" lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">With respect to all, I received a lot of emails on moving the service and unfortunately I read few of them only. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I strongly agree with below comments made by Robert, my concern is “ the Service” my point is very clear that the Service is most important for my organization & in deed for all of us. Therefor my understanding is not to compromise to move the organization only for low expenses.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It’s all about finance and expenses, so surely there will be a way to come out of this situation and we all will support to fix this issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regard’s <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" align="right" dir="RTL" style="text-align:left;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed"> <span dir="LTR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><img width="166" height="36" style="width:1.7291in;height:.375in" id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3D57E.3F2B1520" alt="Description: SP-Logo"></span><span lang="EN-US" dir="LTR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" align="right" dir="RTL" style="text-align:left;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed"> <b><span lang="EN-US" dir="LTR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Engr. 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CCIE(W), HCIE(W), APMG, ITIL(v3)</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" dir="LTR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class="MsoNormal" align="right" dir="RTL" style="text-align:left;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed"> <span lang="EN-US" dir="LTR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">IT-Infrastructure Department<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" align="right" dir="RTL" style="text-align:left;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed"> <span lang="EN-US" dir="LTR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Office: +966 1 2897109<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" align="right" dir="RTL" style="text-align:left;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed"> <span lang="EN-US" dir="LTR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mobile: +966 506878379</span><span lang="AR-SA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" align="right" dir="RTL" style="text-align:left;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed"> <span lang="EN-US" dir="LTR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Email: <a href="mailto:jahmed@sp.com.sa"><span style="color:#0563C1">jahmed@sp.com.sa</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" align="right" dir="RTL" style="text-align:left;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed"> <span dir="LTR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">P Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need it</span><span lang="AR-SA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Vojcik<br> <b>Sent:</b> 16 April 2018 11:05<br> <b>To:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p>Hi all, <o:p></o:p></p> <p>I'd like to contribute to this discussion.<o:p></o:p></p> <p>I believe that when it comes to save the money, moving organization always leads to some things<o:p></o:p></p> <ul type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"> moving organization is very expensive itself<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"> if moving is becouse of cost saving, there will be <b>always</b> big drop of quality of services, we can see it on many other companies<o:p></o:p></li></ul> <p>I believe there is a lot of experts in Ripe NCC and they must be appropriately paid. <o:p></o:p></p> <p>If Ripe NCC needs more finances for it's staff or projects etc, I'm for increasing the charge. It's the most effective way to solve the problem. <o:p></o:p></p> <p>We also don't want to move such important organization beouse of cost savings. We want progress, new projects, better performance and more secure and free internet and that is no cheap tasks.<o:p></o:p></p> <p>If Ripe need more financess, create some finance analysis and then rise up the charge.<o:p></o:p></p> <p><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On 12.4.2018 17:14, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><<a href="mailto:david.ponzone@ipeva.fr">david.ponzone@ipeva.fr</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">AFAIK, social charges paid by the employer in NL are around 28%, so it's less than 3000 euros per month per staff member of income. <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">And that's before social charges paid by the employee (18%), so it's less than 2500€ of net income per staff.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">I would not judge if that's high or low in NL, but that's not 4000€<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">So, we can move the RIPE office to another country, with less salary numbers. E.g. there are the salary numbers approximately 1500€ in Russia, including tax 13%. With social tax 30% the salary numbers are 2000€ in Moscow. <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">What do you think about it? Me and my colleagues, who wrote here earlier, are ready to help the community with relocation.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> <br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre>members-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre> <pre><a href="https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Z5DC_5LNXVchE0RAIbFK4XcnqPTWR8MufcXBcDSKMTOI-SC4lg_cXSMhiuO7lBgIbHJQdwvmGCe8hazaiyG7xfa5bYgVyn0AGoPefgzFRtS_Oy0HcUVJwjrABQgCcohfvz6wHu7Sqrv4QzajHyHupvnolfVHuyy2PI5h4oFEoVMjUBe88dtT3-2jZv1nLAX32wpwyy0u2DuFX4FWUfKphc_x-bGeKQ4jO90U1ovqSLsdpYpwKk5wPdhP3Byx6iGZ9n9OORJbWtzhchIeng53kA/https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmembers-discuss">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></pre> <pre>Unsubscribe: <a href="https://secure-web.cisco.com/1hdiNuR94g0wQ27b7XNF-n74ue2DT7mAyLyoUl-8SWsJ03HVApJEg8Hh23aG5Xpk6stk1jRE5aZozwPkzENnoDN2zr4NZ-643BzNjIXJ7KBXLJhY_kdUob744aPdIfh6sUwo3fALyAUFirz638lFbqjcfhfbPETcN49NhQvyauQDp-Pl7D93Y0XQTMouykUCelCqEypqE7peSZqRZMbUvsKDCpxZPG1l-TeEt3JGDjYJxMz1Dtnijpt2VVSwRljykLXiezjHahbFlqI6P2XTBYQ/https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fmembers-discuss%2Frobert.vojcik%2540livesport.eu">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/robert.vojcik%40livesport.eu</a><o:p></o:p></pre> </blockquote> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre> <pre>Robert Vojčík,<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre>Systems Specialist<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre> <pre>+420 733 351 088<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre><a href="mailto:robert.vojcik@livesport.eu">robert.vojcik@livesport.eu</a><o:p></o:p></pre> <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre> <pre>Livesport s.r.o.<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre>Aspira Business Centre<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre>Bucharova 2928/14a, 158 00 Praha 13<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre><a href="http://secure-web.cisco.com/1FiWe2n9GgUb65S9JyYjkfx4lLJcyvW1W00dIEykua3-7XC8kAXSMNwyKirFfpxfWFE4X9tzbq1atvHp6tj1uNffqEq4H7beC7Bn9DykyxYTe7jRBsAoY8B9tTiPoWWDVgk5wIAHyXPDpoTobuIVNDToAEzO6PvIJaQCLwI2bwpCZlspzpWzU9EvCiBO6ZPwewhCX9wrKkX2ZrgKecu_FqQkD6yVSFvHQ02mpDLhLbeD6CGtdbSoRuScHJjl-dFVYgPDt7Z4KhGZuzlyIcxysdQ/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livesport.eu">www.livesport.eu</a><o:p></o:p></pre> </div> <br> <hr> <font face="Arial" color="Gray" size="1"><br> Disclaimer:<br> This email has been sent from Saudi Post Organization. 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