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For the "movers", 5'ish or how many you are there , just an idea -
build your own NCC with blackjack and hooke.. :-)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/04/2018 12:38, Jaleel A. Mohammad
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dear All,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>With respect to all, I received a lot
of emails on moving the service and unfortunately I read few
of them only.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I strongly agree with below comments
made by Robert, my concern is “ the Service” my point is
very clear that the Service is most important for my
organization & in deed for all of us. Therefor my
understanding is not to compromise to move the organization
only for low expenses.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>It’s all about finance and expenses,
so surely there will be a way to come out of this situation
and we all will support to fix this issue.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Regard’s
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Vojcik<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16 April 2018 11:05<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce]
[GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC
Charging Scheme 2019</span></p>
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<p>Hi all, </p>
<p>I'd like to contribute to this discussion.</p>
<p>I believe that when it comes to save the money, moving
organization always leads to some things</p>
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moving organization is very expensive itself</li>
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if moving is becouse of cost saving, there will be <b>always</b>
big drop of quality of services, we can see it on many other
companies</li>
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<p>I believe there is a lot of experts in Ripe NCC and they must
be appropriately paid.
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<p>If Ripe NCC needs more finances for it's staff or projects
etc, I'm for increasing the charge. It's the most effective
way to solve the problem.
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<p>We also don't want to move such important organization beouse
of cost savings. We want progress, new projects, better
performance and more secure and free internet and that is no
cheap tasks.</p>
<p>If Ripe need more financess, create some finance analysis and
then rise up the charge.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12.4.2018 17:14, Aleksey Bulgakov
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<p class="MsoNormal">AFAIK, social charges paid by
the employer in NL are around 28%, so it's less
than 3000 euros per month per staff member of
income.
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<p class="MsoNormal">And that's before social
charges paid by the employee (18%), so it's less
than 2500€ of net income per staff.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would not judge if that's
high or low in NL, but that's not 4000€</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, we can move the RIPE office to
another country, with less salary numbers. E.g. there
are the salary numbers approximately 1500€ in Russia,
including tax 13%. With social tax 30% the salary
numbers are 2000€ in Moscow. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What do you think about it? Me and my
colleagues, who wrote here earlier, are ready to help
the community with relocation.</p>
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