<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /></head><body style='font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif'> Hello everyone. I've been reading all your messages regarding this problem since some time now. And i think that this problem shouldn't be handled by RIPE at all. Countries blacklist IP addresses and DNS addresses since some time now (because of piracy, political reasons, etc...). So... just because now, Russia is blocking a lot of VPN IPs, is a reason for RIPE to step in? No. I don't think so. You all should keep the 2 things appart from each other. We in Portugal, have since some time now, several torrent websites blocked (IP and DNS) and you don't ear us complain about it or ask RIPE to talk to the gouvernment. I agree that internet should be regulated. But a regulation can be benign to some but malign to others. A balance should be found. Internet would never be free because of this. And it's not the job of RIPE to balance it. Regards <div>--- <table> <tbody> <tr> <td style="width: 148px;"><img src="https://www.xrv.pt/templates/xrv/html/img/xrv.png" alt="XRV" width="148" height="43" /></td> <td style="width: 380px;"> Bruno Carvalho (CEO xrv.pt) | +351 300 404 316 P Please consider the environment before printing this email </td> <td style="text-align: center; width: 64px;"><a title="XRV" href="https://www.xrv.pt"><img src="https://www.xrv.pt/templates/xrv/html/img/www.png" alt="Visit our website" width="53" height="32" /></a> <a title="Visit us on Facebook" href="https://www.facebook.com/xervers/"><img src="https://www.xrv.pt/templates/xrv/html/img/facebook.png" alt="Facebook" width="32" height="32" /></a><a title="Visit us on Twitter" href="https://twitter.com/xervers"><img src="https://www.xrv.pt/templates/xrv/html/img/twitter.png" alt="Twitter" width="32" height="32" /></a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> On 2018-04-25 14:51, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote: <blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"> <div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">* Juri <<a href="mailto:hostmaster@ntx.ru">hostmaster@ntx.ru</a>> [2018-04-25 14:20]: <blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0">Hello Max, <blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0">would you like the world to do exactly your (i.e. Russian citizens) job and cut your small dictator off? Why? It is your country, not our, so do it yourself</blockquote> We can't do that by ourselfs only ) And, yes, we don't have elections here. There some other countries, like Ukraine for example, who copy bad practice of Internet censorship too. That's why Internet companies and ISPs should think about those problem together.</blockquote> I hate to say it, but ISPs are bound by the laws of the country they're operating in. If your government doesn't allow free access there is nothing anyone outside of your country can do. Change has to come from within. You are hurt by your governments decision to block access to millions of IPs? Let them know. Let your customers know who is responsible. That is not something we can do for you. Also the RIPE NCC already has an outreach program to meet with and inform governments, but a government would have to be willing to meet and be informed. Regards Sebastian -- Sebastian Wiesinger Principal Network Architect Network & Security (ONS) noris network AG Thomas-Mann-Straße 16-20 90471 Nürnberg Deutschland Tel +49 911 9352 1335 Fax +49 911 9352 100 <a href="mailto:sebastian.wiesinger@noris.de">sebastian.wiesinger@noris.de</a> <a href="https://www.noris.de" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.noris.de</a> - Mehr Leistung als Standard Vorstand: Ingo Kraupa (Vorsitzender), Joachim Astel, Jürgen Städing - Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Stefan Schnabel - AG Nürnberg HRB 17689 _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/bruno.carvalho%40xrv.pt" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/bruno.carvalho%40xrv.pt</a></div> </blockquote> </body></html>