<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /></head><body><div data-crea="font-wrapper" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 16px; direction: ltr"><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 16px"></div>RIPE does not really do this, they will send the documents also to a secondary address (not the LIR or company address).<div><br></div><div>This verifies *some* address, but not *the* address.<br><br><div></div><div style="font-family: Tahoma;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">--</div><div style="font-family: Tahoma;">William Weber</div><div style="font-family: Tahoma;">Consulting, Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia</div><div style="font-family: Tahoma;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Tahoma;"><a href="https://ip6.im/" target="_blank" tabindex="-1" rel="external" style="cursor: pointer;">https://ip6.im</a> - No RIPE LIR? Still read this email for some reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just get it anyway, can't hurt to have.</div><div><br></div><br><div data-anchor="reply-title">On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 07:40, Marcel Edler (Optimate-Server.de) <medler@optimate-server.de> wrote:</div><blockquote><div>I think RIPE sending the membership documents in a letter, because they <br>use it also to verify the address.<br><br>You can fake everything, the company papers and all. I dont think the <br>RIPE checking this informations in local country registers.<br><br>To fake a address is not that easy possible I would say...<br><br>There are still many companys they send you a code by letter to verify <br>the address.<br><br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<br>Marcel Edler<br>Geschäftsinhaber<br><br>Optimate-Server<br>EM Koddes 1<br>52531 Übach-Palenberg<br>Germany<br>Tel.: 06104 / 9722141<br>Fax: 06104 / 9722142<br>Mobil: 0177 / 83 55 499<br>eMail: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:medler@optimate-server.de">medler@optimate-server.de</a><br>Internet: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.optimate-server.de">http://www.optimate-server.de</a><br><br>Am 25.04.2018 um 15:31 schrieb Janos Zsako:<br><blockquote>Dear Tom,<br><br><blockquote>Can you please clarify, why it is that you think email is appropriate <br>for digitally signed documents, not paper based documents signed by <br>hand, scanned and sent by e-mail?</blockquote><br><br>I am not a lawyer, but as far as I know, in case of a litigation a <br>digitally<br>signed document is usually accepted by the court as evidence with much <br>higher<br>confidence than a scanned document. One of the roles of the digital <br>signature<br>is to ensure non-repudiation. A valid signature usually proves who <br>signed the<br>document (usually through a certificate issued by a trusted CA) and it <br>also<br>proves that the document has not been changed since. If it also <br>contains a<br>qualified time stamp, then you can also know for sure the document <br>existed in<br>this form at that time.<br><br><blockquote>I stand corrected on fax use, I had no idea it was still growing! <br>Although, I think the demographic of ISPs may have lower than average <br>fax usage. Our company have a fax simply because some customers do, <br>we would not choose to fax or post over email unless it was <br>absolutely necessary.</blockquote><br><br>Well, we cancelled the company fax a couple of years ago. :)<br><br><blockquote>I suppose you could consider fax or post more secure than email, but <br>I'm not too sure how valid that argument is.</blockquote><br><br>Post and original (signed) documents are definitely more secure than fax<br>or (digitally not signed) e-mail. In case of the fax, I tend to agree <br>with you,<br>but there was a time, in Hungary at least, when courts did accept fax <br>as evidence,<br>while e-mail was usually not accepted. The judges were of the <br>(probably wrong)<br>opinion that fax is more difficult to forge than e-mail.<br><br>Best regards,<br>Janos<br><br><blockquote>Kind Regards,<br>Tom Corney</blockquote><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>members-discuss mailing list<br><a target="_blank" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><a target="_blank" href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br>Unsubscribe: <br><a target="_blank" href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/medler%40optimate-server.de">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/medler%40optimate-server.de</a></blockquote><br><br>---<br>Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft.<br><a target="_blank" href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>members-discuss mailing list<br><a target="_blank" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><a target="_blank" href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br>Unsubscribe: <a target="_blank" href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/william%40william.si">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/william%40william.si</a></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>