<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I agree with this.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Bolster<br> <b>Sent:</b> 02 May 2018 09:46<br> <b>To:</b> William <william@william.si>; Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl <thomas@niceblue.it><br> <b>Cc:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The current rules are a good middle ground, however, as a relatively new ISP we can only access one /22 per LIR. Newer entities, such as us, do not have legacy IPv4 space which immediately inhibits growth and competition in the ISP marketplace.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A fairer policy would be to allocate for a LIR’s justifiable needs, taking into account their current allocations; but for RIPE to retain an override on these allocations. By monitoring for any unused space it would be possible to remove any unused to be recycled. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also, governments and larger organisations are sat on huge IPv4 real estate that is not in use. This is another area that needs exploring.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">After all, IPv6 isn’t ubiquitous yet, so something constructive has to be done.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William<br> <b>Sent:</b> 01 May 2018 18:15<br> <b>To:</b> Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl <<a href="mailto:thomas@niceblue.it">thomas@niceblue.it</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">As someone that would profit from this i am absolutely against it.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">RIPE exists for specific reasons - selling out IPs is not one of them, and the legacy market as well as inter-RIR transfers cover the business needs at this time.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">The current merger rules are a good middle way.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">--<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">William Weber<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Consulting, Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><a href="https://ip6.im/" target="_blank">https://ip6.im</a> - No RIPE LIR? Still read this email for some reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just get it anyway, can't hurt to have.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 13:17, Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl <<a href="mailto:thomas@niceblue.it">thomas@niceblue.it</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">YES! Probably this would be possible...<br> ...just setting the RIPE sign-up fee of 4600 EUR that includes the first two years of membership in a non refoundable way ( :<br> <br> <br> Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Il 01/05/2018 10:45, Dmitry Vorozhtsov ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">I think it would be great! <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Best regards, Dmitry Vorozhtsov.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">2018-04-30 22:07 GMT+09:00 Aleksey Bulgakov <<a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com" target="_blank">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Hello, all. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">What do you think if the NCC allow to merge accounts of the same company without 24 months restriction? <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">I thing this question should be discussed on the RIPE meeting in </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Marseille.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">-----</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Kind regards,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Alexey</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><br> _______________________________________________<br> members-discuss mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/dvorozhtsov%40gmail.com" target="_blank"> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/dvorozhtsov%40gmail.com</a><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </blockquote> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">members-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/thomas%40niceblue.it" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/thomas%40niceblue.it</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre> </blockquote> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">--<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Thomas Gallo @ Nice Blue s.r.l.<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Centro Direzionale Interporto Padova - Torre B<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Galleria Spagna, 35 - 35127 PADOVA (PD)<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Fixed phone: +39 (0)49 85 94 766<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Fax line: +39 (0)49 82 51 032<o:p></o:p></span></pre> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>