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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">There just aren't enough IPv4 addresses
left to do that. Then you bring into the immediate question is
your justification better than my justification.<br>
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This day and age if you're starting any internet based business
that requires it's own IP space you either have to be very
conservative with IPs and remain within the /22 or you have to
budget accordingly and make transactions on the secondary market
to increase your space.<br>
<br>
Otherwise plenty of carriers, datacenters and providers still
rent/lease IPv4 on long term contracts as well. Having your own is
cheaper yes, but not near as cheap as when the internet began.
It's nature, things just get more expensive with time and
consumption.<br>
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On 05/02/2018 03:46 AM, Adrian Bolster wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
current rules are a good middle ground, however, as a
relatively new ISP we can only access one /22 per LIR. Newer
entities, such as us, do not have legacy IPv4 space which
immediately inhibits growth and competition in the ISP
marketplace.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A
fairer policy would be to allocate for a LIR’s justifiable
needs, taking into account their current allocations; but
for RIPE to retain an override on these allocations. By
monitoring for any unused space it would be possible to
remove any unused to be recycled. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also,
governments and larger organisations are sat on huge IPv4
real estate that is not in use. This is another area that
needs exploring.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">After
all, IPv6 isn’t ubiquitous yet, so something constructive
has to be done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> members-discuss
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"><members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 01 May 2018 18:15<br>
<b>To:</b> Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thomas@niceblue.it"><thomas@niceblue.it></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR
account mergers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">As
someone that would profit from this i am absolutely
against it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">RIPE
exists for specific reasons - selling out IPs is not one
of them, and the legacy market as well as inter-RIR
transfers cover the business needs at this time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">The
current merger rules are a good middle way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">William
Weber<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Consulting,
Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka,
Croatia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><a
href="https://ip6.im/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://ip6.im</a> - No RIPE
LIR? Still read this email for some reason? Grab a /40
*free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just get it
anyway, can't hurt to have.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On
Tue, May 1, 2018 at 13:17, Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue
srl <<a href="mailto:thomas@niceblue.it"
moz-do-not-send="true">thomas@niceblue.it</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">YES!
Probably this would be possible...<br>
...just setting the RIPE sign-up fee of 4600 EUR
that includes the first two years of membership in
a non refoundable way ( :<br>
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<br>
Thomas<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Il
01/05/2018 10:45, Dmitry Vorozhtsov ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">I
think it would be great!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Best
regards, Dmitry Vorozhtsov.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">2018-04-30
22:07 GMT+09:00 Aleksey Bulgakov <<a
href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Hello,
all.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">What
do you think if the NCC allow to merge
accounts of the same company without
24 months restriction? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">I
thing this question should be
discussed on the RIPE meeting in </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Marseille.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Kind
regards,</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Alexey</span><span
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