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    Implementing the native IPv6 and CGNAT means you need twice (for
    now) less powerful (and less expensive) CGNAT device. And you can
    always have point-to-point connectivity. That what I miss for our
    and EU mobile carriers...<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">02.05.18 14:47, Craig Arnold пише:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
            support what Adrian has said here. As a small ISP we don’t
            have enough addresses to cover all of our customers, let
            alone our own infrastructure as well. Prices from brokers
            are in the region of EUR12 per IP, which is simply not
            possible to justify for a small company. The problems of not
            having enough addresses means relying on CGNAT to get
            customers connected, and all the issues that come with it.
            Not such a problem for mobile providers, but providers of
            fixed-line broadband have a much harder time with this
            technology.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sure
            IPv6 is the solution, but until we’re past the threshold
            where the majority of content is IPv6 enabled we still have
            to supply public IPv4 addresses to all customers in some
            form.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’d
            like to see governments selling its stock of unused
            addresses to local business that can prove a need at an
            affordable price. Everyone wants to sell their IPs to fund
            their own IPv6 rollouts. Great, so the little guys have to
            spend their cash on extortionate IPv4 prices just to keep
            up, stalling or preventing their own IPv6 rollouts, while
            the bigger players get their rollouts partially funded. If
            businesses can show they’re planning to or currently rolling
            out IPv6, they should have fairer access to IPv4 resources
            while they continue those plans. I think the RIRs need to
            step in and help here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                lang="EN-US"> members-discuss
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"><members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net></a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Bolster<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 02 May 2018 09:46<br>
                <b>To:</b> William <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:william@william.si"><william@william.si></a>; Thomas
                Gallo - Nice Blue srl <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thomas@niceblue.it"><thomas@niceblue.it></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR
                account mergers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
            current rules are a good middle ground, however, as a
            relatively new ISP we can only access one /22 per LIR. Newer
            entities, such as us, do not have legacy IPv4 space which
            immediately inhibits growth and competition in the ISP
            marketplace.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A
            fairer policy would be to allocate for a LIR’s justifiable
            needs, taking into account their current allocations; but
            for RIPE to retain an override on these allocations. By
            monitoring for any unused space it would be possible to
            remove any unused to be recycled. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also,
            governments and larger organisations are sat on huge IPv4
            real estate that is not in use. This is another area that
            needs exploring.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">After
            all, IPv6 isn’t ubiquitous yet, so something constructive
            has to be done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <<a
                  href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>William<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 01 May 2018 18:15<br>
                <b>To:</b> Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl <<a
                  href="mailto:thomas@niceblue.it"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">thomas@niceblue.it</a>><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR
                account mergers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">As
              someone that would profit from this i am absolutely
              against it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">RIPE
                exists for specific reasons - selling out IPs is not one
                of them, and the legacy market as well as inter-RIR
                transfers cover the business needs at this time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">The
                current merger rules are a good middle way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">William
                  Weber<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Consulting,
                  Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka,
                  Croatia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><a
                    href="https://ip6.im/" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://ip6.im</a> - No RIPE
                  LIR? Still read this email for some reason? Grab a /40
                  *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just get it
                  anyway, can't hurt to have.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On
                  Tue, May 1, 2018 at 13:17, Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue
                  srl <<a href="mailto:thomas@niceblue.it"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">thomas@niceblue.it</a>>
                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">YES!
                      Probably this would be possible...<br>
                      ...just setting the RIPE  sign-up fee of 4600 EUR
                      that includes the first two years of membership in
                      a non refoundable way   ( :<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Il
                        01/05/2018 10:45, Dmitry Vorozhtsov ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">I
                          think it would be great!
                          <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Best
                            regards, Dmitry Vorozhtsov.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">2018-04-30
                            22:07 GMT+09:00 Aleksey Bulgakov <<a
                              href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Hello,
                                all.
                                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">What
                                  do you think if the NCC allow to merge
                                  accounts of the same company without
                                  24 months restriction? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">I
                                  thing this question should be
                                  discussed on the RIPE meeting in </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Marseille.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                                style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">-----</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Kind
                                  regards,</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Alexey</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
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