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      On 05/14/2018 07:41 AM, Ion Rebeja wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">On Mon, May 14, 2018, 15:38 Office MEGs <<a
            href="mailto:office@megsolutions.com" moz-do-not-send="true">office@megsolutions.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Me
                  too please.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank
                  you! </span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                      members-discuss [mailto:<a
                        href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gjurovski Vladimir<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 14, 2018 2:05 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> 'John Jeffery' <<a
                        href="mailto:johnjeffery@e-wire.co.uk"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">johnjeffery@e-wire.co.uk</a>>;
                      David Benwell <<a
                        href="mailto:dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk</a>>;
                      William <<a href="mailto:william@william.si"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">william@william.si</a>>;
                      Bunea TELECOM <<a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">suport@bunea.eu</a>><br>
                      <b>Cc:</b> <a
                        href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
                      transfer (in)security</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                  lang="EN-US">Me also please</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                  lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
                    lang="MK">Владимир Ѓуровски</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
                    lang="MK">Оддел за ИТ и ТК технологии</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK">ЕВН Електродистрибуција ДООЕЛ</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK">ул. „11 Октомври“ бр. 9, 1000 Скопје</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK">T: +389 2 3205 300 – 4423</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="DE">2</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK">M: +389 72 934 23</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="DE">2</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-US"><a
                      href="mailto:vladimir.gjurovski@evn.mk"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="DE">vladimir.gjurovski</span><span
                        lang="MK">@evn.mk</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK"><a href="http://www.evn.mk"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">www.evn.mk</a></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                      lang="MK">Користете ја енергијата разумно:
                      помислете на животната средина пред да ја
                      испечатите оваа електронска порака.</span></b></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK"> </span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
                    lang="EN-US">Vladimir Gjurovski</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
                    lang="EN-US">IT and TK technology Department</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-GB">EVN Elektrodistribucija DOOEL</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-GB">ul</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK">. „11 </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-GB">Oktomvri</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK">“ </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-GB">no</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK">. 9, 1000 </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-GB">Skopje</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="DE">T</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK">: +389 2 3205 300 – 4423</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="DE">2</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="DE">M</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK">: +389 72 934 23</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="DE">2</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-US"><a
                      href="mailto:vladimir.gjurovski@evn.mk"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="DE">vladimir.gjurovski</span><span
                        lang="MK">@evn.mk</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK"><a href="http://www.evn.mk"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">www.evn.mk</a></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="MK"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                      lang="EN-US">Use energy wisely: Please consider
                      the environment before you print this email.</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                        lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                      style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                      lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [<a
                        href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Jeffery<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 14, 2018 1:46 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> David Benwell; William; Bunea TELECOM<br>
                      <b>Cc:</b> <a
                        href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
                      transfer (in)security</span></p>
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                <p><span
                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
                    lang="EN-US">guys can you take me off this email
                    chain?</span></p>
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                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
                    lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                <p><span
                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
                    lang="EN-US">thanks v much</span></p>
                <p><span
                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
                    lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                <p><span
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                    lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
                      lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
                    lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <<a
                      href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>>
                    on behalf of David Benwell <<a
                      href="mailto:dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk</a>><br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 14, 2018 12:44:26 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> William; Bunea TELECOM<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> <a
                      href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
                    transfer (in)security</span><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                  <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                      lang="EN-GB">William, Would you happen to be such
                      holder of address apace?</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                  <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                      lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                            lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                          lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [<a
                            href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>William<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> 14 May 2018 11:47<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Bunea TELECOM <<a
                            href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">suport@bunea.eu</a>><br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> <a
                            href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
                          transfer (in)security</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                  <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
                      lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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                    <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                        lang="EN-GB">These are legacy. They are not RIR
                        business.</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                      <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                          lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                      <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                          lang="EN-GB">No RIR can reclaim them (and
                          reclaim is plainly wrong, they never owned
                          them, this is pre-RIR space), they are private
                          property.</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                      <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                          lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                      <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                          lang="EN-GB">Taking them is theft and nothing
                          else, no matter how you phrase it.</span><span
                          lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                          lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                        <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">--</span><span
                            lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                        <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">William
                            Weber</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                        <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Consulting,
                            Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel
                            / Rijeka, Croatia</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                        <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                            lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                        <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><a
                              href="https://ip6.im/" target="_blank"
                              rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ip6.im</a> -
                            No RIPE LIR? Still read this email for some
                            reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP
                            usage. Or just get it anyway, can't hurt to
                            have.</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                            lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                      <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                          lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                      <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"
                        style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                          lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                        <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">On Mon,
                            May 14, 2018 at 12:27, Bunea TELECOM <<a
                              href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
                              target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">suport@bunea.eu</a>>
                            wrote:</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                            <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">I agree,</span><span
                                lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                              <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                  lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                              <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">There are
                                  tens of /8’s available, some of them
                                  even unannounced. For example there
                                  are lots of entities which if they
                                  would gave up (even partially) of
                                  their unused blocks, it would push the
                                  IPv4 complete exaustion to 2020+. </span><span
                                  lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                              <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                  lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                              <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Thanks,</span><span
                                  lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                              <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Petru</span><span
                                  lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                                  <p
                                    class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-GB">—</span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"
                                                          lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                                          lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                                <p
                                  class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"
                                    lang="EN-GB"><br>
                                    <img
                                      id="m_5578169310785937683x__x005f_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3EB8E.9701FE50" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      width="63" border="0" height="73"></span><span
                                    lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                                  <p
                                    class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"
                                      lang="EN-GB"><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <b>Petru Bunea</b> / CEO <br>
                                      <a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
                                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:#477ccc;text-decoration:none">suport@bunea.eu</span></a> / <a
                                        href="tel:+40752481282"
                                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">+40752481282</a></span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                                <p
                                  class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"
                                  style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#212121"
                                      lang="EN-GB">Bunea TELECOM</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"
                                    lang="EN-GB"> / DATACENTER / APP
                                    DEVELOPMENT<br>
                                    <a href="http://www.bunea.eu/"
                                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                        style="color:#477ccc;text-decoration:none">http://www.bunea.eu</span></a> / <a
                                      href="tel:+40745495495"
                                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">+40745495495</a></span><span
                                    lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                              <p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                  lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                                    <p
                                      class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">On 14 May
                                        2018, at 11:20, Janarthanan
                                        Sundaram <<a
                                          href="mailto:j.sundaram@123telcom.nl"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">j.sundaram@123telcom.nl</a>>
                                        wrote:</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                                  <p
                                    class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                                        class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                                          lang="EN-GB">I think we should
                                          prioritize on on point two:
                                          what to do with unused blocks.</span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                                        class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
                                          lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                                            class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                                                lang="EN-GB">Van:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                                              lang="EN-GB"> members-discuss
                                              <<a
                                                href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                rel="noreferrer"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> <b>Namens </b>Bruno
                                              Carvalho<br>
                                              <b>Verzonden:</b> maandag
                                              14 mei 2018 10:11<br>
                                              <b>Aan:</b> <a
                                                href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
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                                              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re:
                                              [members-discuss] VL: IP
                                              transfer (in)security</span><span
                                              lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                                      <p
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                                          lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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                                      style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"
                                        lang="EN-GB">This discussion is
                                        quite interesting. But i think
                                        it should be discussed between
                                        all RiRs. Not only for RIPE.<br>
                                        When we look at big companies,
                                        like Microsoft, and do a simple
                                        scan of their assigned IP
                                        ranges... we found some /14 and
                                        several /16 unassigned/unused
                                        ranges.</span><span
                                        style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"
                                        lang="EN-GB"><br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                      </span><span
                                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"
                                        lang="EN-GB">Personnally, i
                                        think we should focus on 2 main
                                        things:</span><span
                                        style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"
                                        lang="EN-GB"><br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                      </span><span
                                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"
                                        lang="EN-GB">- Improve IPv6
                                        implementation all over the
                                        territory (i know this is
                                        painfull for many LIRs because
                                        it implies additional work and
                                        purchase of new equipments. But
                                        let's face it. We are in 2018.
                                        If an equipment doesn't support
                                        IPv6, it's very obsolete and not
                                        performant).</span><span
                                        style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"
                                        lang="EN-GB"><br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                      </span><span
                                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"
                                        lang="EN-GB">- Check with the
                                        other RiRs what would be the
                                        best to do with those big unused
                                        ranges that are owned by
                                        companies that don't use them.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"
                                        lang="EN-GB"><br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                      </span><span
                                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"
                                        lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                                        lang="EN-GB">On 2018-05-14
                                        09:51, Hans Govenius wrote:</span><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                                      style="border:none;border-left:solid
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                                          <p
                                            class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""
                                              lang="EN-GB">Hello<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Not needed IP = The
                                              addressese company is
                                              ready to sell for a small
                                              profit </span><span
                                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                                              UI
                                              Symbol",sans-serif"
                                              lang="EN-GB">😊</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""
                                              lang="EN-GB"> ? This is
                                              probably good indication
                                              that its not used anymore.
                                              One option is to
                                              automatically block all
                                              and any IP transaction
                                              which does not involve
                                              transaction of the whole
                                              company/business. It is a
                                              question that can IP be a
                                              commodity. Now its a
                                              commodity that is getting
                                              more rare by the year.
                                              Maybe IP should be
                                              considered an jointly
                                              owned part of
                                              infrastructure which is
                                              deployed by need basis.
                                              (Socialistic way)<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Other option is to start
                                              to take money per IP. This
                                              would instantly mean that
                                              everyone would look up to
                                              own ip spaces. Let say it
                                              would cost 1 euro / year
                                              for a IP it would only be
                                              approx 1000 euros for the
                                              smallest allocation.
                                              Someone with 10 million IP
                                              addressese are likely to
                                              happily pay for it fi they
                                              are in use, but if they
                                              are not i would think they
                                              would be handed back.
                                              (Capitalistic way)<br>
                                              <br>
                                              One option is also to go
                                              with the current system
                                              because internet is
                                              working so its not
                                              horribly wrong at the
                                              moment either. <br>
                                              <br>
                                              One interesting this is
                                              tho that old LIR:s are
                                              likely to wanting to keep
                                              these things unchanged.
                                              New LIR:s are more likely
                                              to want changes as this is
                                              heavily favoring old
                                              LIR:s. And every year a
                                              proportionally larger part
                                              will be the ones with few
                                              IP:s and same vote than
                                              the one with alot of IP:s
                                              and also only 1 vote. <br>
                                              <br>
                                              Br. Hans <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
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                                              viesti-----<br>
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                                              Lähetetty: maanantai 14.
                                              toukokuuta 2018 10.34<br>
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                                              Aihe: Re:
                                              [members-discuss] VL: IP
                                              transfer (in)security<br>
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                                              W dniu 14.05.2018 o 09:25,
                                              Philip Donner pisze: </span><span
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                                              I would like to amplify
                                              Dave's good proposal, by
                                              suggesting that unused
                                              addresses should be handed
                                              back to RIPE, so that they
                                              can be added to a pool of
                                              addresses reserved for
                                              LIRs who needs them for
                                              non-profit promotion of IP
                                              networks.</span><span
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                                              Ok, but there is never
                                              ending story to resolve:
                                              how to define 'unused
                                              addresses'. Because not
                                              announced in BGP
                                              definitely != not used.<br>
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                                              Tomasz Śląski<br>
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