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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">It seems most people don't look at the
      links and click the first unsubscribe link they find, half the
      time not associated with their email address. <br>
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      I get them too... I blame technology for dumbing things down so
      people don't think. :)<br>
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      On 05/14/2018 08:24 AM, Adrian Bolster wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Go
            on then… who tried to unsubscribe me?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"
                lang="EN-US"> members-discuss
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"><members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net></a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Pearson<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 14 May 2018 13:50<br>
                <b>To:</b> Anas Tablieh
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ATablieh@sierrawireless.com"><ATablieh@sierrawireless.com></a>;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer
                (in)security<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Well, use your email address and reset it
            :)<br>
            <br>
            On 05/14/2018 07:48 AM, Anas Tablieh wrote:<span
              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">unsubscribe link need
              a password !! </span>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"
                    lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"
                  lang="EN-US"> Daniel Pearson
                  <a href="mailto:daniel@privatesystems.net"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><daniel@privatesystems.net></a>
                  <br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> lundi 14 mai 2018 14:48<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Anas Tablieh <a
                    href="mailto:ATablieh@sierrawireless.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><ATablieh@sierrawireless.com></a>;
                  <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer
                  (in)security</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi there,<br>
              <br>
              This is a mailing list, please use the unsubscribe link at
              the bottom of these emails that is associated with your
              email address!<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              On 05/14/2018 07:45 AM, Anas Tablieh wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Please
                remove my mail address from this chat !!!!!!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"
                      lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"
                    lang="EN-US"> members-discuss
                    <a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net></a>
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Pearson<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> lundi 14 mai 2018 14:25<br>
                    <b>To:</b> <a
                      href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
                    transfer (in)security</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">I concur, there is no legal leg to
                stand on to force space to be returned. It just cannot
                happen, end period. Thinking about it is nothing but a
                fantasy and we live in reality.<br>
                <br>
                What your asking is no different than having a complete
                stranger walk up to your house, admire your big empty
                back yard, demand that you give it to them because they
                want to build a house in your neighborhood and well, you
                don't use your backyard so why can't they have it for
                free?<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                On 05/14/2018 07:05 AM, Peter Linder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p>But there is no point in arguing this. It has been
                discussed over and over:<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p>It is not feasible to "reclaim" legacy space, just
                because you want it for free or at a very low cost.
                Current holders have a good legal ground to refuse. 
                Even if it was somehow reclaimed on a large scale, it
                would last for a year or so? Remember, most addresses
                would need to go to countries with large populations
                where Internet is not built up like it is in Europe or
                North America. Then what? Even if RIPE could reallocate
                addresses to last a few more years it would mean even
                *more* work to do v6, not less.
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p>Just buy the addresses you need, if more than RIPE will
                allocate to you. I know this sucks, especially in poorer
                countries. But that is probably the only way your
                business is going to happen, in the short term. An
                alternative would be to bother the IETF to release their
                reserved space but that is probably a waste of time
                (never mind de-bogonizing it).<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p>Right now IPv4 shortage is hurting a little because of
                cost. It will eventually start hurting more, and in
                different ways. There are ways to prepare for that,
                including making sure v6 is enabled and functioning on
                everything you make.
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p>/Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Den 2018-05-14 kl. 13:38, skrev
                  David Benwell:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">No
                    its about preventing the waste of IP Addresses. Why
                    allow a LLR to retain address space that they may
                    never have used.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                          lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                        lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [</span><a
                        href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                          lang="EN-US">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                        lang="EN-US">]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>William<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> 14 May 2018 12:32<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Bunea TELECOM </span><a
                        href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                          lang="EN-US"><suport@bunea.eu></span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                        lang="EN-US"><br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> </span><a
                        href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                          lang="EN-US">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                        lang="EN-US"><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
                        transfer (in)security</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">But
                      this does not CHANGE IT IS THEFT, please have a
                      look at your history (or here in Croatia) - you
                      want to do the same, steal from some parts of the
                      society ('the rich') to 'benefit' the whole which
                      ends horribly wrong.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">This
                        discussion is almost as absurd as the Russian
                        suggestion to move RIPE to Moscow.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">William
                          Weber</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Consulting,
                          Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel /
                          Rijeka, Croatia</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://ip6.im"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                            style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">https://ip6.im</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> - No RIPE LIR? Still
                          read this email for some reason? Grab a /40
                          *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just get
                          it anyway, can't hurt to have.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On
                          Mon, May 14, 2018 at 13:16, Bunea TELECOM <</span><a
                          href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                            style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Everybody
                              that says it’s theft, please consider the
                              fact that those ‘guys’ got their hands on
                              /8 blocks tens of years ago, and probably
                              did not pay a dime for them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">In
                                the light of events, one /8, respecting
                                the 1024 IPv4 policy that RIPE has,
                                would belong to over 16.000 LIR
                                accounts!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">And
                                I must say, 16.000 companies would
                                create a lot of business compared to one
                                company that holds a /8 :)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <br>
                                    <b>Petru Bunea</b> / CEO <br>
                                  </span><a
                                    href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#477CCC;text-decoration:none">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> / </span><a
                                    href="tel:+40752481282"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">+40752481282</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#212121">Bunea
                                    TELECOM</span></b><span
                                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> /
                                  DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT<br>
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                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#477CCC;text-decoration:none">http://www.bunea.eu</span></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> / </span><a
                                  href="tel:+40745495495"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">+40745495495</span></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On
                                      14 May 2018, at 14:16, Alex
                                      Lobachov <</span><a
                                      href="mailto:alxl@telenet.lv"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                        style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">alxl@telenet.lv</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Bruno
                                              has it’s point.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Legacy
                                              parts of the space should
                                              be reclaimed, but only
                                              ICANN has the power to do
                                              so.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
                                              don’t like to call it a
                                              thief, I’d rather say as
                                              all IP space is rented
                                              (owning a number isn’t
                                              bright), all that rented
                                              space, wherever it is
                                              legacy or current should
                                              be re-audited to justify
                                              the reason of use.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
                                              --<br>
                                              Alex Lobachov<br>
                                              Telenet, sia<br>
                                              Network Systems Engineer<br>
                                              LinkedIn: </span><a
                                              href="https://lv.linkedin.com/in/allxll"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">https://lv.linkedin.com/in/allxll</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
                                              E-mail: </span><a
                                              href="mailto:alxl@telenet.lv"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">alxl@telenet.lv</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
                                              Skype: alxl__<br>
                                              Direct office: +371
                                              67886224<br>
                                              Office: +371 67711111</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
                                                  </span><a
                                                    href="mailto:bruno.carvalho@xrv.pt"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    title="bruno.carvalho@xrv.pt"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                      style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Bruno
                                                      Carvalho</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
                                                  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
                                                    Monday, May 14, 2018
                                                    2:04 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
                                                  </span><a
                                                    href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    title="members-discuss@ripe.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                      style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
                                                  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Re:
                                                    [members-discuss]
                                                    VL: IP transfer
                                                    (in)security</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">William,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Legacy
                                                or not, at one point a
                                                regulation was
                                                introduced. And everyone
                                                should be regulated
                                                (pre-RIR or not).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is
                                                the same has if you own
                                                a car from back the
                                                traffic laws (1800
                                                years?). If you drive it
                                                now, you have to comply
                                                with all the laws that
                                                regulate the sector.<br>
                                                Why the legacy address
                                                space owners shouldn't
                                                have to comply with the
                                                actual regulations?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
                                                we look deep on the
                                                spaces between 0.0.0.0
                                                and 255.255.255.255
                                                (that are not local or
                                                bogons), i bet that most
                                                than 50% are legacy and
                                                not used.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="http://xrv.pt" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
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                                                        style="font-family:Webdings;color:#009900">P</span> <span
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                                                        consider the
                                                        environment
                                                        before printing
                                                        this email</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On
                                                2018-05-14 12:46,
                                                William wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">These are legacy. They
                                                  are not RIR business.
                                                </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">No RIR can reclaim
                                                    them (and reclaim is
                                                    plainly wrong, they
                                                    never owned them,
                                                    this is pre-RIR
                                                    space), they are
                                                    private property.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Taking them is theft
                                                    and nothing else, no
                                                    matter how you
                                                    phrase it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">William Weber</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Consulting, Security
                                                      & Management -
                                                      Tel-Aviv, Israel /
                                                      Rijeka, Croatia</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://ip6.im/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                        style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">https://ip6.im</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> - No RIPE LIR? Still
                                                      read this email
                                                      for some reason?
                                                      Grab a /40 *free*
                                                      IPv6 space for BGP
                                                      usage. Or just get
                                                      it anyway, can't
                                                      hurt to have.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On Mon, May 14, 2018
                                                      at 12:27, Bunea
                                                      TELECOM <</span><a
href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">There are tens of /8's
                                                          available,
                                                          some of them
                                                          even
                                                          unannounced.
                                                          For example
                                                          there are lots
                                                          of entities
                                                          which if they
                                                          would gave up
                                                          (even
                                                          partially) of
                                                          their unused
                                                          blocks, it
                                                          would push the
                                                          IPv4 complete
                                                          exaustion to
                                                          2020+. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <strong><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Petru Bunea</span></strong> / CEO <br>
                                                          </span><a
                                                          href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#477CCC;text-decoration:none">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> /
                                                          </span><a
                                                          href="tel:+40752481282"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">+40752481282</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#212121">Bunea
                                                          TELECOM</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> /
                                                          DATACENTER /
                                                          APP
                                                          DEVELOPMENT<br>
                                                          </span><a
                                                          href="http://www.bunea.eu/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#477CCC;text-decoration:none">http://www.bunea.eu</span></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> /
                                                          </span><a
                                                          href="tel:+40745495495"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">+40745495495</span></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On 14 May 2018, at
                                                          11:20,
                                                          Janarthanan
                                                          Sundaram <</span><a
href="mailto:j.sundaram@123telcom.nl" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">j.sundaram@123telcom.nl</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
                                                          think we
                                                          should
                                                          prioritize on
                                                          on point two:
                                                          what to do
                                                          with unused
                                                          blocks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Van:</span></strong><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss
                                                          <</span><a
href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> <strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Namens </span></strong>Bruno
                                                          Carvalho<br>
                                                          <strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Verzonden:</span></strong> maandag
                                                          14 mei 2018
                                                          10:11<br>
                                                          <strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Aan:</span></strong> </span><a
href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
                                                          <strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Onderwerp:</span></strong> Re:
[members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This
                                                          discussion is
                                                          quite
                                                          interesting.
                                                          But i think it
                                                          should be
                                                          discussed
                                                          between all
                                                          RiRs. Not only
                                                          for RIPE.<br>
                                                          When we look
                                                          at big
                                                          companies,
                                                          like
                                                          Microsoft, and
                                                          do a simple
                                                          scan of their
                                                          assigned IP
                                                          ranges... we
                                                          found some /14
                                                          and several
                                                          /16
                                                          unassigned/unused
                                                          ranges.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </span><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Personnally,
                                                          i think we
                                                          should focus
                                                          on 2 main
                                                          things:</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </span><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">-
                                                          Improve IPv6
                                                          implementation
                                                          all over the
                                                          territory (i
                                                          know this is
                                                          painfull for
                                                          many LIRs
                                                          because it
                                                          implies
                                                          additional
                                                          work and
                                                          purchase of
                                                          new
                                                          equipments.
                                                          But let's face
                                                          it. We are in
                                                          2018. If an
                                                          equipment
                                                          doesn't
                                                          support IPv6,
                                                          it's very
                                                          obsolete and
                                                          not
                                                          performant).</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </span><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">-
                                                          Check with the
                                                          other RiRs
                                                          what would be
                                                          the best to do
                                                          with those big
                                                          unused ranges
                                                          that are owned
                                                          by companies
                                                          that don't use
                                                          them.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </span><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Regards</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Bruno Carvalho (CEO <a
                                                          href="http://xrv.pt/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                                                          xrv.pt</a>) |
                                                          +351 300 404
                                                          316<br>
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                                                          style="font-family:Webdings;color:#009900">P</span> <span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#009900">Please
                                                          consider the
                                                          environment
                                                          before
                                                          printing this
                                                          email</span><br>
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                                                          title="XRV"
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style="color:purple;text-decoration:none"><blocked.gif></span></a><br>
                                                          <a
                                                          href="https://www.facebook.com/xervers/"
target="_blank" title="Visit us on Facebook" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple;text-decoration:none"><blocked.gif></span></a><a
href="https://twitter.com/xervers" target="_blank" title="Visit us on
                                                          Twitter"
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                                                          </span><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On
                                                          2018-05-14
                                                          09:51, Hans
                                                          Govenius
                                                          wrote:</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">Hello<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Not needed IP
                                                          = The
                                                          addressese
                                                          company is
                                                          ready to sell
                                                          for a small
                                                          profit </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
                                                          Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"> ?
                                                          This is
                                                          probably good
                                                          indication
                                                          that its not
                                                          used anymore.
                                                          One option is
                                                          to
                                                          automatically
                                                          block all and
                                                          any IP
                                                          transaction
                                                          which does not
                                                          involve
                                                          transaction of
                                                          the whole
                                                          company/business.
                                                          It is a
                                                          question that
                                                          can IP be a
                                                          commodity. Now
                                                          its a
                                                          commodity that
                                                          is getting
                                                          more rare by
                                                          the year.
                                                          Maybe IP
                                                          should be
                                                          considered an
                                                          jointly owned
                                                          part of
                                                          infrastructure
                                                          which is
                                                          deployed by
                                                          need basis.
                                                          (Socialistic
                                                          way)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Other option
                                                          is to start to
                                                          take money per
                                                          IP. This would
                                                          instantly mean
                                                          that everyone
                                                          would look up
                                                          to own ip
                                                          spaces. Let
                                                          say it would
                                                          cost 1 euro /
                                                          year for a IP
                                                          it would only
                                                          be approx 1000
                                                          euros for the
                                                          smallest
                                                          allocation.
                                                          Someone with
                                                          10 million IP
                                                          addressese are
                                                          likely to
                                                          happily pay
                                                          for it fi they
                                                          are in use,
                                                          but if they
                                                          are not i
                                                          would think
                                                          they would be
                                                          handed back.
                                                          (Capitalistic
                                                          way)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          One option is
                                                          also to go
                                                          with the
                                                          current system
                                                          because
                                                          internet is
                                                          working so its
                                                          not horribly
                                                          wrong at the
                                                          moment
                                                          either. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          One
                                                          interesting
                                                          this is tho
                                                          that old LIR:s
                                                          are likely to
                                                          wanting to
                                                          keep these
                                                          things
                                                          unchanged. New
                                                          LIR:s are more
                                                          likely to want
                                                          changes as
                                                          this is
                                                          heavily
                                                          favoring old
                                                          LIR:s. And
                                                          every year a
                                                          proportionally
                                                          larger part
                                                          will be the
                                                          ones with few
                                                          IP:s and same
                                                          vote than the
                                                          one with alot
                                                          of IP:s and
                                                          also only 1
                                                          vote. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Br. Hans <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
-----Alkuperäinen viesti-----<br>
                                                          Lähettäjä:
                                                          members-discuss
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                                                          Puolesta REG
                                                          ID: pl.skonet<br>
                                                          Lähetetty:
                                                          maanantai 14.
                                                          toukokuuta
                                                          2018 10.34<br>
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                                                          Aihe: Re:
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                                                          VL: IP
                                                          transfer
                                                          (in)security<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          W dniu
                                                          14.05.2018 o
                                                          09:25, Philip
                                                          Donner pisze: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          I would like
                                                          to amplify
                                                          Dave's good
                                                          proposal, by
                                                          suggesting
                                                          that unused
                                                          addresses
                                                          should be
                                                          handed back to
                                                          RIPE, so that
                                                          they can be
                                                          added to a
                                                          pool of
                                                          addresses
                                                          reserved for
                                                          LIRs who needs
                                                          them for
                                                          non-profit
                                                          promotion of
                                                          IP networks.</span><span
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                                                          Ok, but there
                                                          is never
                                                          ending story
                                                          to resolve:
                                                          how to define
                                                          'unused
                                                          addresses'.
                                                          Because not
                                                          announced in
                                                          BGP definitely
                                                          != not used.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Tomasz Śląski<br>
                                                          pl.skonet<br>
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