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too please.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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you! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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members-discuss
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Gjurovski Vladimir<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 14, 2018 2:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'John Jeffery'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:johnjeffery@e-wire.co.uk"><johnjeffery@e-wire.co.uk></a>; David Benwell
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk"><dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk></a>; William
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:william@william.si"><william@william.si></a>; Bunea TELECOM
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"><suport@bunea.eu></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer
(in)security<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Me also please<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
lang="MK">Владимир Ѓуровски<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
lang="MK">Оддел за ИТ и ТК технологии<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK">ЕВН Електродистрибуција ДООЕЛ<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK">ул. „11 Октомври“ бр. 9, 1000 Скопје<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK">T: +389 2 3205 300 – 4423</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="DE">2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK">M: +389 72 934 23</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="DE">2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:vladimir.gjurovski@evn.mk"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="DE">vladimir.gjurovski</span><span
lang="MK">@evn.mk</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK"><a href="http://www.evn.mk"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.evn.mk</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK">Користете ја енергијата разумно: помислете на
животната средина пред да ја испечатите оваа електронска
порака.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
lang="EN-US">Vladimir Gjurovski<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
lang="EN-US">IT and TK technology Department<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">EVN Elektrodistribucija DOOEL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">ul</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK">. „11 </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Oktomvri</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK">“ </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">no</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK">. 9, 1000 </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Skopje<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="DE">T</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK">: +389 2 3205 300 – 4423</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="DE">2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="DE">M</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK">: +389 72 934 23</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="DE">2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:vladimir.gjurovski@evn.mk"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="DE">vladimir.gjurovski</span><span
lang="MK">@evn.mk</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK"><a href="http://www.evn.mk"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.evn.mk</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="MK"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Use energy wisely: Please consider the
environment before you print this email.</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [<a
href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Jeffery<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 14, 2018 1:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Benwell; William; Bunea TELECOM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer
(in)security<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">guys can you take me off this email chain?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">thanks v much<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <<a
href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>>
on behalf of David Benwell <<a
href="mailto:dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true">dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 14, 2018 12:44:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> William; Bunea TELECOM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer
(in)security</span><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">William, Would you happen to be such holder
of address apace?</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [<a
href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 14 May 2018 11:47<br>
<b>To:</b> Bunea TELECOM <<a
href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
moz-do-not-send="true">suport@bunea.eu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
transfer (in)security</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">These are legacy. They are not RIR
business.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">No RIR can reclaim them (and reclaim is
plainly wrong, they never owned them, this is
pre-RIR space), they are private property.</span><span
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">Taking them is theft and nothing else,
no matter how you phrase it.</span><span
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">--</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">William Weber</span><span
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">Consulting, Security & Management
- Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia</span><span
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://ip6.im/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ip6.im</a> -
No RIPE LIR? Still read this email for some
reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP
usage. Or just get it anyway, can't hurt to have.</span><span
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:27, Bunea
TELECOM <<a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
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lang="EN-GB">There are tens of /8’s
available, some of them even unannounced.
For example there are lots of entities which
if they would gave up (even partially) of
their unused blocks, it would push the IPv4
complete exaustion to 2020+. </span><span
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DEVELOPMENT<br>
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[members-discuss] VL: IP
transfer (in)security</span><span
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lang="EN-GB">This discussion is quite
interesting. But i think it should be
discussed between all RiRs. Not only
for RIPE.<br>
When we look at big companies, like
Microsoft, and do a simple scan of
their assigned IP ranges... we found
some /14 and several /16
unassigned/unused ranges.</span><span
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lang="EN-GB">Personnally, i think we
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</span><span
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lang="EN-GB">- Improve IPv6
implementation all over the territory
(i know this is painfull for many LIRs
because it implies additional work and
purchase of new equipments. But let's
face it. We are in 2018. If an
equipment doesn't support IPv6, it's
very obsolete and not performant).</span><span
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</span><span
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lang="EN-GB">- Check with the other
RiRs what would be the best to do with
those big unused ranges that are owned
by companies that don't use them.</span><span
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lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><span
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New"" lang="EN-GB">Hello<br>
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Not needed IP = The addressese
company is ready to sell for a
small profit </span><span
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lang="EN-GB">😊</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New"" lang="EN-GB"> ? This
is probably good indication that
its not used anymore. One option
is to automatically block all
and any IP transaction which
does not involve transaction of
the whole company/business. It
is a question that can IP be a
commodity. Now its a commodity
that is getting more rare by the
year. Maybe IP should be
considered an jointly owned part
of infrastructure which is
deployed by need basis.
(Socialistic way)<br>
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Other option is to start to take
money per IP. This would
instantly mean that everyone
would look up to own ip spaces.
Let say it would cost 1 euro /
year for a IP it would only be
approx 1000 euros for the
smallest allocation. Someone
with 10 million IP addressese
are likely to happily pay for it
fi they are in use, but if they
are not i would think they would
be handed back. (Capitalistic
way)<br>
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One option is also to go with
the current system because
internet is working so its not
horribly wrong at the moment
either. <br>
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One interesting this is tho that
old LIR:s are likely to wanting
to keep these things unchanged.
New LIR:s are more likely to
want changes as this is heavily
favoring old LIR:s. And every
year a proportionally larger
part will be the ones with few
IP:s and same vote than the one
with alot of IP:s and also only
1 vote. <br>
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Br. Hans <br>
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I would like to amplify Dave's
good proposal, by suggesting
that unused addresses should be
handed back to RIPE, so that
they can be added to a pool of
addresses reserved for LIRs who
needs them for non-profit
promotion of IP networks.</span><span
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Ok, but there is never ending
story to resolve: how to define
'unused addresses'. Because not
announced in BGP definitely !=
not used.<br>
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