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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Üdvözlettel:

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">2018. 05. 14. 13:57 keltezéssel,
      Richard Quick írta:<br>
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              <div class="">On 14 May 2018, at 12:52, Thomas A. Bibb
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                  I agree - this is partly to blame for why we’re in the
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                    <div class="">Tom</div>
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                        <div class="">On 14 May 2018, at 12:47, Adrian
                          Bolster <<a
                            href="mailto:Adrian.Bolster@purebroadband.net"
                            class="" moz-do-not-send="true">Adrian.Bolster@purebroadband.net</a>>
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                        <div class=""><span class="">I wholeheartedly
                            agree, it’s not in the best interests of the
                            internet community as a whole to continue to
                            allow huge amounts of address space to
                            remain unused to their full potential. </span><br
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                            On 14 May 2018, at 12:40, David Benwell <<a
href="mailto:dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk" class=""
                              moz-do-not-send="true">dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk</a>>
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                                  <span class="">No its about preventing
                                    the waste of IP Addresses. Why allow
                                    a LLR to retain address space that
                                    they may never have used.</span></div>
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                                          class="">On Behalf Of<span
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                                        <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>14
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                                        <b class="">To:</b><span
                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bunea
                                        TELECOM <<a
                                          href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
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href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br
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                                        <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                        [members-discuss] VL: IP
                                        transfer (in)security</span></div>
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                                    <span class="">But this does not
                                      CHANGE IT IS THEFT, please have a
                                      look at your history (or here in
                                      Croatia) - you want to do the
                                      same, steal from some parts of the
                                      society ('the rich') to 'benefit'
                                      the whole which ends horribly
                                      wrong.</span></div>
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                                      <span class="">This discussion is
                                        almost as absurd as the Russian
                                        suggestion to move RIPE to
                                        Moscow.</span></div>
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                                        <span class="">William Weber</span></div>
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                                        <span class="">Consulting,
                                          Security & Management -
                                          Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka,
                                          Croatia</span></div>
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                                        <span class=""><a
                                            href="https://ip6.im/"
                                            class=""
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://ip6.im</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- No RIPE LIR? Still read this
                                          email for some reason? Grab a
                                          /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP
                                          usage. Or just get it anyway,
                                          can't hurt to have.</span></div>
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                                      <span class=""> </span></p>
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                                        <span class="">On Mon, May 14,
                                          2018 at 13:16, Bunea TELECOM
                                          <<a
                                            href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
                                            class=""
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">suport@bunea.eu</a>>
                                          wrote:</span></div>
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                                            <span class="">Everybody
                                              that says it’s theft,
                                              please consider the fact
                                              that those ‘guys’ got
                                              their hands on /8 blocks
                                              tens of years ago, and
                                              probably did not pay a
                                              dime for them.</span></div>
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                                              <span class="">In the
                                                light of events, one /8,
                                                respecting the 1024 IPv4
                                                policy that RIPE has,
                                                would belong to over
                                                16.000 LIR accounts!</span></div>
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                                            <div class="">
                                              <span class="">And I must
                                                say, 16.000 companies
                                                would create a lot of
                                                business compared to one
                                                company that holds a /8
                                                :)</span></div>
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                                              <span class="">Thanks</span></div>
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                                                    <b class="">Petru
                                                      Bunea</b> / CEO <br
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                                                      href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      class=""
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                        class="">suport@bunea.eu</span></a> / <a
href="tel:+40752481282" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">+40752481282</a></span></div>
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                                                <b class=""><span
                                                    class="">Bunea
                                                    TELECOM</span></b><span
                                                  class=""> / DATACENTER
                                                  / APP DEVELOPMENT<br
                                                    class="">
                                                  <a
                                                    href="http://www.bunea.eu/"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    class=""
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                      class="">http://www.bunea.eu</span></a> / <a
href="tel:+40745495495" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">+40745495495</a><br
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                                                    <span class="">On 14
                                                      May 2018, at
                                                      14:16, Alex
                                                      Lobachov <<a
                                                        href="mailto:alxl@telenet.lv"
                                                        target="_blank"
                                                        class=""
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true">alxl@telenet.lv</a>>
                                                      wrote:</span></div>
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                                                          <span class="">Bruno
                                                          has it’s
                                                          point.</span></div>
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                                                          <span class="">Legacy
                                                          parts of the
                                                          space should
                                                          be reclaimed,
                                                          but only ICANN
                                                          has the power
                                                          to do so.</span></div>
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                                                          <span class="">I
                                                          don’t like to
                                                          call it a
                                                          thief, I’d
                                                          rather say as
                                                          all IP space
                                                          is rented
                                                          (owning a
                                                          number isn’t
                                                          bright), all
                                                          that rented
                                                          space,
                                                          wherever it is
                                                          legacy or
                                                          current should
                                                          be re-audited
                                                          to justify the
                                                          reason of use.</span></div>
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                                                          <span class=""><br
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                                                          --<br class="">
                                                          Alex Lobachov<br
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                                                          Telenet, sia<br
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                                                          Network
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                                                          Engineer<br
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                                                          <b class=""><span
                                                          class="">From:</span></b><span
                                                          class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                                          href="mailto:bruno.carvalho@xrv.pt"
target="_blank" title="bruno.carvalho@xrv.pt" class=""
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">Bruno
                                                          Carvalho</a></span></div>
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                                                          <b class=""><span
                                                          class="">Sent:</span></b><span
                                                          class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, May 14, 2018 2:04 PM</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <b class=""><span
                                                          class="">To:</span></b><span
                                                          class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                                          href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
target="_blank" title="members-discuss@ripe.net" class=""
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a></span></div>
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                                                          <b class=""><span
                                                          class="">Subject:</span></b><span
                                                          class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
                                                          transfer
                                                          (in)security</span></div>
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                                                          <span class="">William,</span></div>
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                                                          <span class="">Legacy
                                                          or not, at one
                                                          point a
                                                          regulation was
                                                          introduced.
                                                          And everyone
                                                          should be
                                                          regulated
                                                          (pre-RIR or
                                                          not).</span></div>
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">Is
                                                          the same has
                                                          if you own a
                                                          car from back
                                                          the traffic
                                                          laws (1800
                                                          years?). If
                                                          you drive it
                                                          now, you have
                                                          to comply with
                                                          all the laws
                                                          that regulate
                                                          the sector.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          Why the legacy
                                                          address space
                                                          owners
                                                          shouldn't have
                                                          to comply with
                                                          the actual
                                                          regulations?</span></div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">If
                                                          we look deep
                                                          on the spaces
                                                          between
                                                          0.0.0.0 and
                                                          255.255.255.255
                                                          (that are not
                                                          local or
                                                          bogons), i bet
                                                          that most than
                                                          50% are legacy
                                                          and not used.</span></div>
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                                                          Bruno Carvalho
                                                          (CEO<span
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href="http://xrv.pt/" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">xrv.pt</a>)
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                                                          <span class="">P</span> <span
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                                                          consider the
                                                          environment
                                                          before
                                                          printing this
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">On
                                                          2018-05-14
                                                          12:46, William
                                                          wrote:</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class=""> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">These
                                                          are legacy.
                                                          They are not
                                                          RIR business.</span></div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class=""> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">No
                                                          RIR can
                                                          reclaim them
                                                          (and reclaim
                                                          is plainly
                                                          wrong, they
                                                          never owned
                                                          them, this is
                                                          pre-RIR
                                                          space), they
                                                          are private
                                                          property.</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class=""> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">Taking
                                                          them is theft
                                                          and nothing
                                                          else, no
                                                          matter how you
                                                          phrase it.</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class=""> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">--</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">William
                                                          Weber</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">Consulting,
                                                          Security &
                                                          Management -
                                                          Tel-Aviv,
                                                          Israel /
                                                          Rijeka,
                                                          Croatia</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class=""> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class=""><a
href="https://ip6.im/" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ip6.im</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- No RIPE LIR? Still read this
                                                          email for some
                                                          reason? Grab a
                                                          /40 *free*
                                                          IPv6 space for
                                                          BGP usage. Or
                                                          just get it
                                                          anyway, can't
                                                          hurt to have.</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class=""> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class=""> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class=""> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          <span class=""> </span></p>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">On
                                                          Mon, May 14,
                                                          2018 at 12:27,
                                                          Bunea TELECOM
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">suport@bunea.eu</a>>
                                                          wrote:</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">I
                                                          agree,<span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class=""> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">There
                                                          are tens of
                                                          /8's
                                                          available,
                                                          some of them
                                                          even
                                                          unannounced.
                                                          For example
                                                          there are lots
                                                          of entities
                                                          which if they
                                                          would gave up
                                                          (even
                                                          partially) of
                                                          their unused
                                                          blocks, it
                                                          would push the
                                                          IPv4 complete
                                                          exaustion to
                                                          2020+.<span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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                                                          <div class="">
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                                                          <span class=""> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">Thanks,</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">Petru</span></div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">—</span></div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          </div>
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                                                          </div>
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                                                          <span class=""><br
                                                          class="">
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <strong
                                                          class=""><span
                                                          class="">Petru
                                                          Bunea</span></strong> / CEO <br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span class="">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>/<span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="tel:+40752481282" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">+40752481282</a></span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <b class=""><span
                                                          class="">Bunea
                                                          TELECOM</span></b><span
                                                          class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>/ DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <a
                                                          href="http://www.bunea.eu/"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span class="">http://www.bunea.eu</span></a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>/<span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="tel:+40745495495" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">+40745495495</a><br
                                                          class="">
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                                                          class=""></span></div>
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                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">On
                                                          14 May 2018,
                                                          at 11:20,
                                                          Janarthanan
                                                          Sundaram <<a
href="mailto:j.sundaram@123telcom.nl" target="_blank" class=""
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">j.sundaram@123telcom.nl</a>>
                                                          wrote:</span></div>
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                                                          <span class=""> </span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">I
                                                          think we
                                                          should
                                                          prioritize on
                                                          on point two:
                                                          what to do
                                                          with unused
                                                          blocks.</span></div>
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                                                          <span class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </span> </div>
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                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <strong
                                                          class=""><span
                                                          class="">Van:</span></strong><span
                                                          class=""> members-discuss
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> <strong
                                                          class=""><span
                                                          class="">Namens </span></strong>Bruno
                                                          Carvalho<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <strong
                                                          class=""><span
                                                          class="">Verzonden:</span></strong> maandag
                                                          14 mei 2018
                                                          10:11<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <strong
                                                          class=""><span
                                                          class="">Aan:</span></strong> <a
href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank" class=""
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <strong
                                                          class=""><span
                                                          class="">Onderwerp:</span></strong> Re:
[members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security</span></div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          </div>
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          <span class="">This
                                                          discussion is
                                                          quite
                                                          interesting.
                                                          But i think it
                                                          should be
                                                          discussed
                                                          between all
                                                          RiRs. Not only
                                                          for RIPE.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          When we look
                                                          at big
                                                          companies,
                                                          like
                                                          Microsoft, and
                                                          do a simple
                                                          scan of their
                                                          assigned IP
                                                          ranges... we
                                                          found some /14
                                                          and several
                                                          /16
                                                          unassigned/unused
                                                          ranges.</span><span
                                                          class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          </span><span
                                                          class="">Personnally,
                                                          i think we
                                                          should focus
                                                          on 2 main
                                                          things:</span><span
                                                          class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          </span><span
                                                          class="">-
                                                          Improve IPv6
                                                          implementation
                                                          all over the
                                                          territory (i
                                                          know this is
                                                          painfull for
                                                          many LIRs
                                                          because it
                                                          implies
                                                          additional
                                                          work and
                                                          purchase of
                                                          new
                                                          equipments.
                                                          But let's face
                                                          it. We are in
                                                          2018. If an
                                                          equipment
                                                          doesn't
                                                          support IPv6,
                                                          it's very
                                                          obsolete and
                                                          not
                                                          performant).</span><span
                                                          class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          </span><span
                                                          class="">-
                                                          Check with the
                                                          other RiRs
                                                          what would be
                                                          the best to do
                                                          with those big
                                                          unused ranges
                                                          that are owned
                                                          by companies
                                                          that don't use
                                                          them.</span><span
                                                          class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          </span><span
                                                          class="">Regards</span><span
                                                          class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          </span></p>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
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                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          Bruno Carvalho
                                                          (CEO<span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="http://xrv.pt/" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">xrv.pt</a>)
                                                          | +351 300 404
                                                          316<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <span class="">P</span> <span
                                                          class="">Please
                                                          consider the
                                                          environment
                                                          before
                                                          printing this
                                                          email</span><br
                                                          class="">
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                                                          <span class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                           <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          </span><span
                                                          class="">On
                                                          2018-05-14
                                                          09:51, Hans
                                                          Govenius
                                                          wrote:</span><span
                                                          class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
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                                                          </span></div>
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                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <span class="">Hello<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Not needed IP
                                                          = The
                                                          addressese
                                                          company is
                                                          ready to sell
                                                          for a small
                                                          profit </span><span
                                                          class="">😊</span><span
                                                          class=""> ?
                                                          This is
                                                          probably good
                                                          indication
                                                          that its not
                                                          used anymore.
                                                          One option is
                                                          to
                                                          automatically
                                                          block all and
                                                          any IP
                                                          transaction
                                                          which does not
                                                          involve
                                                          transaction of
                                                          the whole
                                                          company/business.
                                                          It is a
                                                          question that
                                                          can IP be a
                                                          commodity. Now
                                                          its a
                                                          commodity that
                                                          is getting
                                                          more rare by
                                                          the year.
                                                          Maybe IP
                                                          should be
                                                          considered an
                                                          jointly owned
                                                          part of
                                                          infrastructure
                                                          which is
                                                          deployed by
                                                          need basis.
                                                          (Socialistic
                                                          way)<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Other option
                                                          is to start to
                                                          take money per
                                                          IP. This would
                                                          instantly mean
                                                          that everyone
                                                          would look up
                                                          to own ip
                                                          spaces. Let
                                                          say it would
                                                          cost 1 euro /
                                                          year for a IP
                                                          it would only
                                                          be approx 1000
                                                          euros for the
                                                          smallest
                                                          allocation.
                                                          Someone with
                                                          10 million IP
                                                          addressese are
                                                          likely to
                                                          happily pay
                                                          for it fi they
                                                          are in use,
                                                          but if they
                                                          are not i
                                                          would think
                                                          they would be
                                                          handed back.
                                                          (Capitalistic
                                                          way)<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          One option is
                                                          also to go
                                                          with the
                                                          current system
                                                          because
                                                          internet is
                                                          working so its
                                                          not horribly
                                                          wrong at the
                                                          moment
                                                          either. <br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          One
                                                          interesting
                                                          this is tho
                                                          that old LIR:s
                                                          are likely to
                                                          wanting to
                                                          keep these
                                                          things
                                                          unchanged. New
                                                          LIR:s are more
                                                          likely to want
                                                          changes as
                                                          this is
                                                          heavily
                                                          favoring old
                                                          LIR:s. And
                                                          every year a
                                                          proportionally
                                                          larger part
                                                          will be the
                                                          ones with few
                                                          IP:s and same
                                                          vote than the
                                                          one with alot
                                                          of IP:s and
                                                          also only 1
                                                          vote. <br
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                                                          2018 10.34<br
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                                                          W dniu
                                                          14.05.2018 o
                                                          09:25, Philip
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                                                          I would like
                                                          to amplify
                                                          Dave's good
                                                          proposal, by
                                                          suggesting
                                                          that unused
                                                          addresses
                                                          should be
                                                          handed back to
                                                          RIPE, so that
                                                          they can be
                                                          added to a
                                                          pool of
                                                          addresses
                                                          reserved for
                                                          LIRs who needs
                                                          them for
                                                          non-profit
                                                          promotion of
                                                          IP networks.</span><span
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                                                          Ok, but there
                                                          is never
                                                          ending story
                                                          to resolve:
                                                          how to define
                                                          'unused
                                                          addresses'.
                                                          Because not
                                                          announced in
                                                          BGP definitely
                                                          != not used.<br
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