<div dir="ltr">Inna,<br><br><div>People are (rightly) upset that they are attempting to sell resources from the last /8. Which, while technically allowed, is incredibly abhorrent behaviour.</div><div>To pour salt in the wound, this "bad actor" then has the hubris to complain about being required to pay for the whole year (which is well documented in the transfer procedure).</div><div><br></div><div>The community has been very clear that we consider this to be abuse of the policy and that is what people are attacking.</div><div>So I would think twice about defending Bignet's actions.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Tim.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Инна Арабаджи <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:navis.group@ukr.net" target="_blank">navis.group@ukr.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><span class="m_-9116874399416612892xfm_92766143"><div><div><div>If they have 5 LIRs, so that means RIPE NCC gave them this possibility.</div><div>Instead of attacking the company Bignet, which according to the policy registered 5 lirs. </div><div>(You have the right to register as many LIRs as you want)</div><div>you'd rather have paid attention to the problem they described.</div><div><br></div><div>RIPE asks to pay for 3 months for the service that was not provided.</div><div>If the payment is annual, ok, lets be the payment for the period 04.2018-04.2019.</div></div><div><br></div> <pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Kind regards, Inna</pre><br> --- Оригінальне повідомлення ---<br> Від кого: "Viethen, Christoph" <<a href="mailto:viethen@itc.rwth-aachen.de" target="_blank">viethen@itc.rwth-aachen.de</a>><br> Дата: 19 липня 2018, 10:49:20<br><br><blockquote class="m_-9116874399416612892xfmc1" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"><span><div><div class="h5"><span><span></span><span> <div id="m_-9116874399416612892xfmi1" style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif" dir="ltr"> <p>I'm getting the impression we have quite a lot of experts on Dutch law around on this list. Fascinating!<br></p> <p><br></p> <p>Kind regards, C.<br></p> <p><br></p> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%"><div id="m_-9116874399416612892xfmi2" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.<wbr>net</a>> on behalf of Сергій Черьомуш <<a href="mailto:bestseller.group@ukr.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">bestseller.group@ukr.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> 17 July 2018 11:26:59<br><b>To:</b> Aleksey Bulgakov<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly</font> <div> </div> </div> <div><span> <div> <div><i><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt">"There isn't a secret that noncommercial organisation earns money and doesn't want to share it."</span></i></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt">Each organization has its own set of rules, but they can not contradict the law.</span></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt">I also do not understand how it is possible to bill for a service under the agreement "after the fact".</span></div> <div><br></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt">Kind regards, Sergey Cheromush</span></div> </div> <div><br></div> <div><i><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial">17 липня <span>2018</span>, 10:57:45, від "Aleksey Bulgakov" <</span><a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:Arial">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-family:Arial">>:</span></span></i></div> <div><br></div> <blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"> <span><span> <div>Hi. <div><br></div> <div>There isn't a secret that noncommercial organisation earns money and doesn't want to share it. But it shows that it cares about members trying to keep IPv4 pool available for future business so long asit possible. But there is market where everyone can buy necessary IPv4 without request to mantioned organisation.</div> </div> <br><div> <div>вт, 17 Июл <span>2018</span> г., 9:05 Andrey Levrinets <<a href="mailto:levrinets.andrey@ukr.net" target="_blank">levrinets.andrey@ukr.net</a>>:</div> <blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"> <div><span class="m_-9116874399416612892xfmc2"> <div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt">Hi all,</span></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt">"A member must pay the full annual service fee for each LIR account(s) held before they can transfer resources or close their LIR account(s)"</span></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt">There is no word about accounts that have not been active for the full year.</span></div> <div><br></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt">--</span></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt">Andrey</span></div> </div> <div><br></div> <div><i><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial">16 липня <span>2018</span>, 13:01:52, від "Freethought Hostmaster" <</span><a href="mailto:hostmaster@freethought-internet.co.uk" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:Arial">hostmaster@freethought-<wbr>internet.co.uk</span></a><span style="font-family:Arial">>:</span></span></i></div> <div><br></div> <blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"> <span><span><span></span><span lang="EN-GB"> <div> <div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif">Hi Jens,</span></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><br></div> <div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif">Actually, the RIPE service fee for new members is charged on a pro-rata basis, so if you join part way through the year, then you only pay for part of the year. I seem to recall that this is done down quarterly granularity.</span></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><br></div> <div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif">See <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/billing-procedure-and-fee-schedule-2018#fees-for-new-members" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"> https://www.ripe.net/<wbr>participate/member-support/<wbr>payment/billing-procedure-and-<wbr>fee-schedule-2018#fees-for-<wbr>new-members</a> for example.</span></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><br></div> <div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;color:#000000">Edward Dore <div></div> </span></div> <div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;color:#000000">Freethought Internet</span></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><br></div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <div style="padding-left:40px"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#000000">From: </span></b></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;color:#000000">members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.<wbr>net</a>> on behalf of Jens Ott <<a href="mailto:ripe@opteamax.de" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ripe@opteamax.de</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, 16 July <span><span>2018</span></span> at 07:02<br><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly <div></div> </span></div> </div> <div> <div style="padding-left:40px"></div> <div><br></div> </div> <div style="padding-left:40px"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif">Hi,<br><br> Please read the charging scheme carefully, it only talks about an annual fee. The offer to pay it in 4 steps is just an offer but doesn't change anything about the amount. There is no monthly fee or daily fee... There are no definitions that entering over the year reduces the costs. <br><br> Maybe we should just remove that offer to not pay everything at once, this would decrease discussions and time for processing a transfer.<br><br> BR<br> Jens</span></div> <div></div> </div> </span></span> <pre style="margin:5px 0">______________________________<wbr>_________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/members-<wbr>discuss</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/levrinets.andrey%40ukr.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/<wbr>mailman/options/members-<wbr>discuss/levrinets.andrey%<wbr>40ukr.net</a> </pre> </span></blockquote> </span></div> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> members-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/members-<wbr>discuss</a><br> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"> https://lists.ripe.net/<wbr>mailman/options/members-<wbr>discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmail.<wbr>com</a></blockquote> </div> </span> <pre style="margin:5px 0">______________________________<wbr>_________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/members-<wbr>discuss</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/bestseller.group%40ukr.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/<wbr>mailman/options/members-<wbr>discuss/bestseller.group%<wbr>40ukr.net</a> </pre> </span></blockquote> </span></div> </span></span></div></div><pre><div><div class="h5">______________________________<wbr>_________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/members-<wbr>discuss</a></div></div> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/navis.group%40ukr.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/<wbr>mailman/options/members-<wbr>discuss/navis.group%40ukr.net</a> </pre></span></blockquote> </div></span></div> <br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> members-discuss mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/members-<wbr>discuss</a><br> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/t.armstrong%40nerdalize.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/<wbr>mailman/options/members-<wbr>discuss/t.armstrong%<wbr>40nerdalize.com</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><img src="https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download" width="96" height="31"><br></div><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><b style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><font size="2">Tim Armstrong</font><br></b><font color="#888888">Dark Lord of Network Operations<br></font><font color="#999999" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><a href="tel:+31617544472" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" target="_blank">+31 6 175 444 72</a></font></span></span></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></div> </div>