<html><body><span class="xfm_92766143"><div><div><div>If they have 5 LIRs, so that means RIPE NCC gave them this possibility.</div><div>Instead of attacking the company Bignet, which according to the policy registered 5 lirs. </div><div>(You have the right to register as many LIRs as you want)</div><div>you'd rather have paid attention to the problem they described.</div><div><br/></div><div>RIPE asks to pay for 3 months for the service that was not provided.</div><div>If the payment is annual, ok, lets be the payment for the period 04.2018-04.2019.</div></div><div><br/></div> <pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"> Kind regards, Inna</pre><br/> --- Оригінальне повідомлення ---<br/> Від кого: "Viethen, Christoph" <viethen@itc.rwth-aachen.de><br/> Дата: 19 липня 2018, 10:49:20<br/><br/><blockquote class="xfmc1" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;"><span><span><span></span><span> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;">.xfm_92766143 <!-- P{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}</style><div id="xfmi1" style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;" dir="ltr"> <p>I'm getting the impression we have quite a lot of experts on Dutch law around on this list. Fascinating!<br/></p> <p><br/></p> <p>Kind regards, C.<br/></p> <p><br/></p> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%;"/><div id="xfmi2" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt;" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_self" rel="noreferrer noopener">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> on behalf of Сергій Черьомуш <<a href="mailto:bestseller.group@ukr.net" target="_self" rel="noreferrer noopener">bestseller.group@ukr.net</a>><br/><b>Sent:</b> 17 July 2018 11:26:59<br/><b>To:</b> Aleksey Bulgakov<br/><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_self" rel="noreferrer noopener">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br/><b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly</font> <div> </div> </div> <div><span> <div> <div><i><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt;">"There isn't a secret that noncommercial organisation earns money and doesn't want to share it."</span></i></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt;">Each organization has its own set of rules, but they can not contradict the law.</span></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt;">I also do not understand how it is possible to bill for a service under the agreement "after the fact".</span></div> <div><br/></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt;">Kind regards, Sergey Cheromush</span></div> </div> <div><br/></div> <div><i><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">17 липня <span data-ukrnet-code="2018">2018</span>, 10:57:45, від "Aleksey Bulgakov" <</span><a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:Arial;">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-family:Arial;">>:</span></span></i></div> <div><br/></div> <blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;"> <span><span> <div>Hi. <div><br/></div> <div>There isn't a secret that noncommercial organisation earns money and doesn't want to share it. But it shows that it cares about members trying to keep IPv4 pool available for future business so long asit possible. But there is market where everyone can buy necessary IPv4 without request to mantioned organisation.</div> </div> <br/><div> <div>вт, 17 Июл <span data-ukrnet-code="2018">2018</span> г., 9:05 Andrey Levrinets <<a href="mailto:levrinets.andrey@ukr.net" target="_blank">levrinets.andrey@ukr.net</a>>:</div> <blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;"> <div><span class="xfmc2"> <div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt;">Hi all,</span></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt;">"A member must pay the full annual service fee for each LIR account(s) held before they can transfer resources or close their LIR account(s)"</span></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt;">There is no word about accounts that have not been active for the full year.</span></div> <div><br/></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt;">--</span></div> <div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt;">Andrey</span></div> </div> <div><br/></div> <div><i><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:12pt;"><span style="font-family:Arial;">16 липня <span data-ukrnet-code="2018">2018</span>, 13:01:52, від "Freethought Hostmaster" <</span><a href="mailto:hostmaster@freethought-internet.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="font-family:Arial;">hostmaster@freethought-internet.co.uk</span></a><span style="font-family:Arial;">>:</span></span></i></div> <div><br/></div> <blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;"> <span><span><span></span><span lang="EN-GB"> <div> <div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;">Hi Jens,</span></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><br/></div> <div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;">Actually, the RIPE service fee for new members is charged on a pro-rata basis, so if you join part way through the year, then you only pay for part of the year. I seem to recall that this is done down quarterly granularity.</span></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><br/></div> <div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;">See <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/billing-procedure-and-fee-schedule-2018#fees-for-new-members" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"> https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/billing-procedure-and-fee-schedule-2018#fees-for-new-members</a> for example.</span></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><br/></div> <div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;color:#000000;">Edward Dore <div></div> </span></div> <div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;color:#000000;">Freethought Internet</span></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><br/></div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"> <div style="padding-left:40px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#000000;">From: </span></b></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;color:#000000;">members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> on behalf of Jens Ott <<a href="mailto:ripe@opteamax.de" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ripe@opteamax.de</a>><br/><b>Date: </b>Monday, 16 July <span><span data-ukrnet-code="2018">2018</span></span> at 07:02<br/><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br/><b>Subject: </b>Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly <div></div> </span></div> </div> <div> <div style="padding-left:40px;"></div> <div><br/></div> </div> <div style="padding-left:40px;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;">Hi,<br/><br/> Please read the charging scheme carefully, it only talks about an annual fee. The offer to pay it in 4 steps is just an offer but doesn't change anything about the amount. There is no monthly fee or daily fee... There are no definitions that entering over the year reduces the costs. <br/><br/> Maybe we should just remove that offer to not pay everything at once, this would decrease discussions and time for processing a transfer.<br/><br/> BR<br/> Jens</span></div> <div></div> </div> </span></span> <pre style="margin:5px 0;">_______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/levrinets.andrey%40ukr.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/levrinets.andrey%40ukr.net</a> </pre> </span></blockquote> </span></div> _______________________________________________<br/> members-discuss mailing list<br/><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br/><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br/> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmail.com</a></blockquote> </div> </span> <pre style="margin:5px 0;">_______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_self" rel="noreferrer noopener">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/bestseller.group%40ukr.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/bestseller.group%40ukr.net</a> </pre> </span></blockquote> </span></div> </span></span><pre>_______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_self" rel="noreferrer noopener">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/navis.group%40ukr.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/navis.group%40ukr.net</a> </pre></span></blockquote> </div></span></body></html>