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    <p>Hi.</p>
    <p>Why ? <br>
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    The answer is simple. It will be centralized system and so:<br>
    - you will need to trust its system engineers<br>
    - any breaking of this system can cause Internet crash if many AS`es
    will use it<br>
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    So it is very bad idea on my opinion.<br>
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    What we need that all follow the rules: <a
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">С наилучшими пожеланиями :: With best regards,
Дмитрий Николаев технический директор ООО "Меганет-2003" :: Dmitry Nikolaev CTO "Meganet-2003" LLC


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01.08.2018 12:59, Dominic Schallert
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      <div class="">I’m sure some of you have read about this recent
        incident; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="https://bgpstream.com/event/144058" class="">https://bgpstream.com/event/144058</a> .
        Nowadays we’re talking about transport security,
        https-per-default, etc. but the most fundamental parts of the
        internet such as BGP, are basically broken from a security
        perspective. While RPKI/ROA/ROV could fix most of the current
        security-related struggles, their deployment currently competes
        somewhat with IPv6 - or even worse - and therefore won’t be a
        practical solution in the forseeable future. Strict IRRDB and
        route object filtering is complicated (or almost impossible) as
        well.</div>
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      <div class="">So I’m wondering, why can't we just have an
        automated blacklist like RBL's for mailservers, where all AS'es
        detected for hijacking prefixes are automatically blacklisted,
        similiar to Team Cymru's fullbogons feed? The list combined with
        some scripting could then be used for realtime AS-path filtering
        at border routers. Delisting of blacklisted ASNs should happen
        only after a pre-defined amount of time (eg. 14 days) or after
        paying a fee to a charity/non-profit and providing a statement
        on the issue which is publicy released. The idea is to hurt
        those who can’t get their stuff - especially prefix filtering -
        together.</div>
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      <div class="">I still remember the days where everyone complained
        about RBLs, nowadays almost every mailserver setup relies on
        them. Sometimes extreme problems require extrem solutions.</div>
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            Kind Regards</p>
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