<div style="text-align: left;"><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;">> Sebastian Wiesinger sebastian.wiesinger at noris.net [Tue Dec 4 08:53:56 CET 2018]</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;">> The RIPE NCC fees are anually. As a convenience *to you* you can also</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;">> pay them quarterly (we don't). This has been discussed multiple times.</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;">> Regards</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;">> Sebastian</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;">That is, in the light of the matter of this discussion, not quite correct. Yes, the fees are annual - but they are charged on a pro rata basis, so for example, LIRs don't pay a full annual fee of €1,400 when they become LIR in the last quarter of 2018. They only pay for the last quarter of 2018.</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;">What the starter of the discussion criticizes is that LIRs not only have to pay member fees retroactively, they also have to pay it when those LIRs are not involved in the transfer at all.</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;">To be honest, I think that RIPE NCC is a very fair RIR, if not the fairest. But I also admit that this rule is quite confusing: To prevent impatient people from creating a LIR in the last quarter of a year, then transfering the resource(s) and closing the LIR to make fast money, we already have a rule which states that scarce resources cannot be transfered within the first 24 months after the resource was allocated.</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;">There may be also other reasons for companies to create multiple LIRs than making fast money. Many people do legitime business. Also in the earlier days of RIPE NCC some companies had multiple LIRs.</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;">With that said, I don't think the way how fees are charged for such transfers is consistent, it is quite confusing. On the other hand RIPE NCC has a legitime interest to prevent people from making fast money; but here we already have an effective rule: The 24 months restriction.</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-size: 14px;">So the question is: What is the reason for this rule if you think we need it to be kept?</span></div><br><br><hr style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; border-width: 0px 0px 1px; border-top-style: initial; border-right-style: initial; border-left-style: initial; border-top-color: initial; border-right-color: initial; border-left-color: initial; border-image: initial; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(218, 218, 218);"><b style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">From:</b><span style="font-size: 14px;"> Dave Benwell <</span><a href="/email/new/1/dave%40it-communicationsltd.co.uk" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk</a><span style="font-size: 14px;">></span><br><b style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">Sent:</b><span style="font-size: 14px;"> Tuesday, 4. Dec 2018 – 10:39 CET +0100</span><br><b style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">To:</b><span style="font-size: 14px;"> Sebastian Wiesinger <</span><a href="/email/new/1/sebastian.wiesinger%40noris.net" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">sebastian.wiesinger@noris.net</a><span style="font-size: 14px;">></span><br><a href="/email/new/1/members-discuss%40ripe.net" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><br><b style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">Subject:</b><span style="font-size: 14px;"> Re: [members-discuss] LIR’s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need support</span><br><br></div><div>
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From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sebastian Wiesinger
Sent: 04 December 2018 07:54
To: members-discuss@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] LIR’s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need support
* Juri <hostmaster@ntx.ru> [2018-12-04 08:09]:
> I suggest RIPE NCC do correct accounting for each LIR for the time
> this LIR instance exists. If LIR has annual billing - then RIPE NCC
> should use it. If LIR selected quarterly billing - RIPE NCC show use.
> But RIPE NCC should not overcharge LIRs for the time they didn't give
> any services for LIR instance.
The RIPE NCC fees are anually. As a convenience *to you* you can also pay them quarterly (we don't). This has been discussed multiple times.
Regards
Sebastian
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