<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">Hello.</div><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> </div><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">Thanks for clarifications. But I don't understand 2 questions:</div><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> </div><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">1. Who did implement this document? <a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#introduction">https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#introduction</a></div><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">Why it is not the subject of the members discussion?</div><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> </div><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">2. What if the two legal entities have one owner/director? Does the 24 month restriction take place and lead to open the additional LIR account in case of M&A procedure for receiving party with additional costs?</div><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> </div><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">12.12.2018, 15:50, "Erik Bais" <ebais@a2b-internet.com>:</div><blockquote type="cite">
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi, </span></p>
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<li style="margin-left:0cm;">This document refers to
<a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-682#2-2-transfer-restrictions">
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-682#2-2-transfer-restrictions</a> where you can read next:<br />
</li><li style="margin-left:0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#333333;background:white;">This restriction does not prevent the resources from being transferred due to further mergers or
acquisitions within the 24-month period.</span></li></ul>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">The RIPE NCC will ask proof of an actual M&A documented by a legal party as a notary in case an actual M&A has occurred.
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">The RIPE policy can’t over-rule actual business decisions like an M&A and with any normal business M&A this is properly documented between parties, typically with a full agreement from lawyers. And that kind of documentation
is required. </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">If the documentation can’t be produced, because the party is just trying to trick the system (to sell their just received IP resources), the restriction apply.
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">This was decided by the community (not ‘just’ decided by the RIPE NCC or the Exec Board) when the Transfer policy was presented and discussed. </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards,</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">Erik Bais</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">Author of the Transfer policy : <a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-682">
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-682</a> </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black;">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black;">members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> on behalf of Фри Дата <<a href="mailto:freedatas@yandex.ru">freedatas@yandex.ru</a>><br />
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 12 December 2018 at 13:37<br />
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br />
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [members-discuss] Change of conditions</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">Hi.</p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">I agree with Alexey. Also I want to pay attention on <a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer35">
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer35</a>. </p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">This document refers to <a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-682#2-2-transfer-restrictions">
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-682#2-2-transfer-restrictions</a> where you can read next:<br />
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#333333;background:white;">This restriction does not prevent the resources from being transferred due to further mergers or acquisitions within the 24-month period.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#333333;background:white;">But dear RIPE tells that they cannot transfer the resources in case of change the business structure because of 24 month restriction. How can we understand
it?</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">12.12.2018, 13:03, "Aleksey Bulgakov" <<a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</a>>:</p>
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<p>Dear all.<br />
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I would like to ask you one question.<br />
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If one company open account in June 2018, but respected executive<br />
board decides to implement restrictions in September - should the<br />
company to apply this restrictions?<br />
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I mean the document <a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer35">
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer35</a></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">-- <br />
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Best regards,<br />
Alexey Bulgakov</p>
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