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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US>I do understand both sides:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US>- RIPE wants to keep billing as easy as possible<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US>- Some LIRs want a better payment scheme, which allows for better liquidity and money planning<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US>Insurance companies have found a way this issue lot of years ago: Private Persons and companies can decide whether to pay on a monthly, quarterly or yearly basis. Since all bookkeeping has effort and costs money and some companies loose interest, the yearly payment term is the cheapest and the monthly the most expensive. I've seen up to 10% extra fees for the monthly payment for insurance policies.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US>As - as I think- RIPE does not want to have troubles with LIRs not paying fees at the end of the year, there may be a way to have one payment at the beginning of the year and one at 1st of July. This would reduce the amount to 50%+50% payments and would reduce the fear of not receiving the money.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US>But of course, more bookings cost more money and not everything can be automated, if e.g. the customers refer to the wrong invoice number or send wrong amounts or forget their customer number etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US>And don’t forget, that in some countries, some LIRs have to define the scope of the invoice periodically, e.g. 1/12<sup>th</sup>, for tax authority or their tax advisor (some local specialties and differences can be found even in the same city </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>😉</span><span lang=EN-US>) .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US>So why not have an additional booking fee for those, who want to pay on a half-year or even smaller basis? This would compensate the effort. Imho, this could be a compromise.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US>The only other solution I can think of would be an online payment system which would make bookkeeping easier. But I don’t think, we don’t want to pay 2-3% (which roughly 42 € p.a.) to a system like Paypal. And I don’t see any other European bank covering the whole RIPE NCC region….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:DE'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black;mso-fareast-language:DE'>John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:gray;mso-fareast-language:DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:DE'>----------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:DE'>John Fitzgerald Interactive Network GmbH<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:DE'>MD/Geschaeftsfuehrer Lindleystraße 14<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:DE'><a href="http://www.internet.de/"><span style='color:gray'>http://www.internet.de</span></a> D-60314 Frankfurt am Main<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:DE'><a href="mailto:john.fitzgerald@internet.de"><span style='color:gray'>mailto:john.fitzgerald@internet.de</span></a> Tel.: +49 69 1336-0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:DE'>PGP-KEY: on request Fax.: +49 69 1336-1000<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:DE'>HRB 47625 USt.ID-Nr. DE 202192770<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:DE'>Geschäftsführer Ralf Herrmann, John Fitzgerald<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:DE'>Handelsregister Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:DE'>Registriert bei Bundesnetzagentur seit 1996 als Internet Service<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:DE'>Provider (ISP) (<a href="http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/"><span style='color:gray'>http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de</span></a>) Regnr. 96/142<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:DE'>----------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-fareast-language:DE'>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Henrik Lund Kramshøj<br>Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Januar 2019 11:20<br>An: members-discuss@ripe.net<br>Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] billing problem on multiple lir accounts.</span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 22:00:25 +0200<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Olena <<a href="mailto:olena.dmytrenko@bignet.ua"><span style='text-decoration:none'>olena.dmytrenko@bignet.ua</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> We do.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>and a lot are silent, because they know the fee and schedule, and plan accordingly.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I am a single person freelancer and a LIR, I think the RIPE NCC payment process is pretty as simple as can be, but look forward to the discussion.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Fee was even lowered from EUR 1600/y to 1400 recently, as I remember.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Best regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Henrik<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> On 07.01.2019 9:45, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > * CloudHost <<a href="mailto:nikoladavv@yandex.ru"><span style='text-decoration:none'>nikoladavv@yandex.ru</span></a>> [2018-12-27 13:13]: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> >> This question discussed earlier, 2 - 3 weeks ago. However <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> >> nobody did support it until they didn't have the same situation. I <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> >> hope the NCC will notice that there are many members, who don't <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> >> agree with the current charging scheme, and will discuss it on the <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> >> next General Meeting from 20-24 May 2019.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > I don't see many members complaining.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Sebastian<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > members-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"><span style='text-decoration:none'>members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss"><span style='text-decoration:none'>https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Unsubscribe:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/olena.dmytren"><span style='text-decoration:none'>https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/olena.dmytren</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > ko%40bignet.ua<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> members-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"><span style='text-decoration:none'>members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss"><span style='text-decoration:none'>https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Unsubscribe:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/hlk%40kramse.or"><span style='text-decoration:none'>https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/hlk%40kramse.or</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> g<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>--<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Mvh/Best regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Henrik<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>—<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Henrik Lund Kramshøj, Follower of the Great Way of Unix internet samurai cand.scient CISSP <a href="mailto:hlk@kramse.org"><span style='text-decoration:none'>hlk@kramse.org</span></a> <a href="mailto:hlk@zencurity.dk"><span style='text-decoration:none'>hlk@zencurity.dk</span></a> +45 2026 6000<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>members-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"><span style='text-decoration:none'>members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss"><span style='text-decoration:none'>https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/john.fitzgerald%40internet.de"><span style='text-decoration:none'>https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/john.fitzgerald%40internet.de</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>