<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I’m a LIR for little over a year now so I have nothing to give back. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Can you please ask the same question towards some companies that hold tens of millions of IP addresses ? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks<br class=""><div class=""> <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">—</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; 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widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; line-height: normal;" class=""><span class="txt sig-hide signature_name-target" data-mce-style="font-weight: bold; color: #212121; display: inline;" style="display: inline;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><b class="">Petru Bunea</b></span> <span class="sep title-sep" data-mce-style="display: inline;" style="display: inline;">/</span> <span class="txt sig-hide signature_jobtitle-target" data-mce-style="color: #212121; display: inline;" style="display: inline;">CEO</span> <span class="break email-sep" data-mce-style="display: inline;" style="display: inline;"><br class=""></span><a class="email signature_email-target sig-hide link" href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" data-mce-href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" data-mce-style="color: #477ccc; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="color: rgb(71, 124, 204); text-decoration: none; display: inline;">suport@bunea.eu</a><span class="sep signature_email-sep" data-mce-style="display: inline;" style="display: inline;"> / </span><span class="txt signature_mobilephone-target sig-hide" data-mce-style="color: #212121; display: inline;" style="display: inline;"><a href="tel:+40752481282" data-mce-href="tel:+40752481282" class="">+40752481282</a></span></div><p data-mce-style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; line-height: 12px; margin-bottom: 10px;" class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; widows: 1; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; line-height: 12px; margin-bottom: 10px;"><span class="txt signature_companyname-target sig-hide" data-mce-style="font-weight: bold; color: #212121; display: inline;" style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); display: inline;">Bunea TELECOM</span> / DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT<span class="break company-sep" data-mce-style="display: inline;" style="display: inline;"><br class=""></span><span class="txt signature_officephone-target sig-hide" data-mce-style="color: #212121;" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);"></span><span class="txt signature_fax-target sig-hide" data-mce-style="color: #212121;" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);"></span><span class="break address-sep"></span><span class="txt signature_address-target sig-hide" data-mce-style="color: #212121;" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);"></span><span class="break address2-sep"></span><span class="txt signature_address2-target sig-hide" data-mce-style="color: #212121;" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);"></span><span class="break website-sep"></span><a class="link signature_website-target sig-hide" href="http://www.bunea.eu/" data-mce-href="http://www.bunea.eu" data-mce-style="color: #477ccc; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="color: rgb(71, 124, 204); text-decoration: none; display: inline;">http://www.bunea.eu</a> / <a href="tel:+40745495495" data-mce-href="tel:+40745495495" class="">+40745495495</a></p> </span></div> <div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 15 Jan 2019, at 17:37, Lutz Donnerhacke <<a href="mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de" class="">L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I’ve given back an unused /19 some years ago.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">How much space did you offer to the pool?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">And BTW, I do not *<b class="">own</b>* any address.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: none solid none none; border-right-width: 1.5pt; border-right-color: blue; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bunea TELECOM <<a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">suport@bunea.eu</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Gesendet:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dienstag, 15. Januar 2019 16:32<br class=""><b class="">An:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lutz Donnerhacke <<a href="mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Aleksey Bulgakov <<a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</a>>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br class=""><b class="">Betreff:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [members-discuss] M&A procedure and transfers restrictions<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">You own 5.000 IPv4. How about you prove to us that you use ALL of them and the unused ones should be handed back to RIPE ? <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Oh, you can’t work effectively with only a /22 ? Too bad, neither can we.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">—<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><span id="cid:image001.jpg@01D4ACF0.9793C780"><image001.jpg></span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><span class="txt"><b class="">Petru Bunea</b></span> <span class="sep">/</span> <span class="txt">CEO</span> <br class=""><a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(71, 124, 204); text-decoration: none;" class="">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span class="sep"> / </span><span class="txt"><a href="tel:+40752481282" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">+40752481282</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 9pt; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px;"><span class="txt"><b class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">Bunea TELECOM</span></b></span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> / DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT<br class=""><a href="http://www.bunea.eu/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(71, 124, 204); text-decoration: none;" class="">http://www.bunea.eu</span></a> / <a href="tel:+40745495495" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">+40745495495</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On 15 Jan 2019, at 16:37, Lutz Donnerhacke <<a href="mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">How about a simple solution:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 36pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">-</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The last/8 policy was designed to give each LIR only a single IPv4 resource in order to keep future LIRs in the game.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 36pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">-</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Therefore: All resources handed out under the last/8 policy can be hold only once by a single LIR.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 36pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">-</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">If two LIRs merge and both have a /8 resource, they have to give back one of them.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-left: 36pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">-</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">A last/8 resource can’t be transferred to a LIR which already holds another last/8 resource.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">members-discuss mailing list<br class=""></span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color: purple; 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