<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>Can anyone tell me what is the scope to change the charging scheme?</div><div><br></div><div>DISTRIBUTION</div><div><br></div><div>From my small experience i understand that the MAIN problem is the IPs distribution.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The are company that have a lot of unused IPs </div><div>And company that don’t have enought IPs</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>CRAZY BUSINESS of PUBLIC RESOURCE</div><div><br></div><div>The company with more IPs that they really use, PULL these IPs to the market and make money and business with this PUBLIC resource. It is incredible!</div><div><br></div><div>We see a lot of incredible things in Italy...we are so famous for Mafia, Cosa Nostra....</div><div>but that a private company (like a provider) can sell PUBLIC resource it win on everything.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>CHANGE RULE</div><div>Before to speak about charging scheme, the RIPE should change the assignment rule with the scope to get back not used IPs (or brokered ips).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>An ISP or Cloud Provider should get income around $50-$100/year per IP</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>If my company have income around $500.000 and we have 10.000 IPs probably we are really using the IPs for REAL isp/cloud business</div><div>500.000 : 10.000=50 that is the minimum per IPs income per IP</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>If my company have income around $500.000 and we have 20.000 IPs....probably we are not internal using these IP and we are selling around 10.000 IPs to broker....</div><div><br></div><div>50.000:20.000 = 25</div><div><br></div><div>$25 income per IP is too low</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>For me is not a problem to pay for example 1000 euro/year to RIPE for each 1024 IP</div><div>I think that this not a problem for each company that make business with the “internet”.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>My problem is that, if i need IPs...i need to go in the “underground” market and pay unknow/untrusted company/broker.</div><div><br></div><div>RIPE should find a way to regulate this issue</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Roberto</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:d6a0add6-b9b2-dc09-4cc7-803235eb180a@velder.li"><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:c54b2934-ef7d-4d9c-8bfa-bdfafe1f5a5f@email.android.com"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="quote"><p dir="ltr"><font color="#000000"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Members will vote on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 at the General <br>Meeting <a href="x-apple-data-detectors://10" dir="ltr" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="calendar-event" x-apple-data-detectors-result="10" style="-webkit-text-decoration-color: rgba(0, 125, 185, 0.258824);">from 22-24 May.</a> In response to requests from members, the <br>Executive Board is proposing two charging scheme options that the <br>members can choose from at the GM. </span></font></p></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></blockquote><br><div dir="ltr">Saluti<div>Roberto </div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:d6a0add6-b9b2-dc09-4cc7-803235eb180a@velder.li"><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:c54b2934-ef7d-4d9c-8bfa-bdfafe1f5a5f@email.android.com"><div dir="auto">
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Date: Apr 17, 2019 18:08<br>
Subject: [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020
- Two Options to Vote On<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncc-announce@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true">ncc-announce@ripe.net</a><br>
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<p dir="ltr">Dear colleagues, <br>
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Members will vote on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020
at the General <br>
Meeting from 22-24 May. In response to requests from
members, the <br>
Executive Board is proposing two charging scheme
options that the <br>
members can choose from at the GM. <br>
<br>
An overview of the two options is also available that
explains the two <br>
models in more detail. The overview and the two
charging schemes are <br>
available at: <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/supporting-documents" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/supporting-documents</a>
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In short, the options that members will choose between
are: <br>
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Option A: The RIPE NCC will maintain the existing
charging scheme, <br>
according to which members pay an annual fee of EUR
1,400 plus an extra <br>
EUR 50 per independent number resource assignment. <br>
<br>
Option B: The RIPE NCC will switch to a new
volume-based, per <br>
registration charging scheme. This would involve
lowering the annual fee <br>
to EUR 1,150 whilst broadening the applicability of
the separate EUR 50 <br>
charge to all number registrations held by the member.
See the full list <br>
of registrations that would be charged in the
document. <br>
<br>
The existing sign-up fee of EUR 2,000 will apply to
both options. <br>
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We encourage members to discuss the options on the
Member Discuss <br>
mailing list at <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true"><members-discuss@ripe.net></a>.
The Executive Board and the <br>
RIPE NCC Management will follow discussions closely
ahead of the GM. <br>
<br>
If you have not yet registered for the GM, we strongly
encourage you to <br>
do so and make sure you have your say on which of two
distinct charging <br>
scheme options should be adopted in May. Full
participation and voting <br>
options are available for all members. You can
register now via the LIR <br>
Portal at: <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/s/gm-registration-may-2019" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/s/gm-registration-may-2019</a>
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<br>
All details on the GM, including the draft agenda, are
available from: <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/</a>
<br>
<br>
Kind regards, <br>
<br>
Gwen van Berne <br>
Chief Financial Officer <br>
RIPE NCC <br>
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